The "Amazon Reef" (not the E-commerce variety) and its implications for reefers...

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So you've probably read about that huge coral reef system recently discovered at the mouth of the Amazon River, right?

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(Image from Discovery News)

We're talking about a surprisingly vibrant reef system that stretches some 600 miles near that muddy output from one of the world's mightiest river systems. And it's been "hiding in plain sight" for eons! The murky waters, with rather treacherous currents, held this secret largely because it has been long thought that you can't have a reef system in such turbid, muddy conditions.

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(Image from Discovery News)

And we were wrong.

Turns out that the currents are significant enough to keep some of the sediments from the river from settling onto the reef, which is positioned around 50-100 meters in depth. And, at various times of the year, seasonal currents and weather patterns do allow a lot more light to penetrate down to the reef proper. Initial surveys found branching soft corals, stony corals, tubeworms, and 60-plus species of sponges in this reef system.

Well, it's not quite as diverse as other reef systems, and the environment is more challenging, but what does this tell us about corals and other reef creatures? Are there some implications for reefers? Some lessons to be learned from this unique and largely unexplored reef system?

Perhaps.

I mean, think about it. Corals are surprisingly adaptable animals, aren't they? Life is tenacious. In our home reefs, we often subject them to conditions far less conducive to thriving than they would like, yet they continue to grow and thrive. We subject our corals to more change in a week than they probably go through in a year in nature, in terms of flow, water chemistry fluctuations, temperature changes, and other physical intervention.

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Now, I'm not saying that because we've discovered a reef in a rather extreme location means that we can go ahead and treat our corals with reckless abandon. What I'm getting at is that we're probably doing a lot of things right as hobbyists! And I'm sure that there are much "higher level" discussions on the implications of this discovery than this one by some of my reef peers, and in the forums, but for our "everyman's reef keeping" purposes, I think it's a fun topic to discuss here!

I'm always fascinated by the idea of sediment and mud interacting with reef systems. At its worst, this interaction can smother and decimate a reef pretty quickly, as we've seen in various parts of the world where agricultural runoff and siltation from human activities inland affects reefs far offshore.

However, some of the constituents of mud must have some benefits for reef animals, if "delivered" in less voluminous quantities, wouldn't you think? I mean, a lot of these muds from rivers contain things like manganese, iron, potassium, magnesium, etc., all of which corals can use. As reefers, we're instructed to do water changes, or dose, or use a method like Triton, to keep trace element levels more or less constant. So, could it be that the one benefit of this river/reef relationship is a continuous "extra helping" of the good stuff?

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(Interestingly, in researching a bit about Amazon River sediments, I found a study that postulated that about 80% of the suspended sediment "transfer" from the Amazon occurred only during about 10 days of the year. Take that and chew on it a bit. So, perhaps the corals are receiving a continuous "helping" of the many major and minor trace elements and nutrients they utilize, but the more negative results of serious sedimentation are occurring only during a limited time of the year? Just a thought...)

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As reefers, I think that the other major takeaway from this discovery, besides the fact that corals in the wild may be more durable than we give them credit for, is that they benefit to some extent from strong currents (yeah, we know that already) and a regular influx of nutrients to make up for the lower light penetration. In other words, they can compensate for lower light by eating more. Again, not a revelation for reefers, as we've kind of known this. However, in our "frighteningly-remeniscent-of-the-early-2000's-obsession" with blasting high- intensity lighting onto our corals, we might once again be overlooking the other part of the equation- that being that flow, food, and- here we go again- stability- are just as important, if not more so, and can help compensate-indeed, should compensate for-or, rather- compliment- somewhat reduced lighting intensity.

Not new concepts, but seemingly pushed aside often in our era of looking for the high-tech, off-the-shelf- answer for our coral challenges.

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I'm not saying to dump tons of "Fiji Gold" or "Marien Biosediment" into your tanks to simulate the "Amazonian River Mouth Reefs" (It's certainly not that simple- and would be downright reckless on our parts), but these products are pretty cool, IMHO. I AM thinking that we should at least examine the concept of regular trace element/nutrient supplementation, through water exchanges or straight-up measured additions- with a new, more enlightened eye. Again, taking away the importance of the "stability" aspect of reef keeping. Corals having more or less stable parameters to compensate for other possible shortcomings in our closed systems.

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(Vincent Thomas' tank has NO shortcomings, btw )

I'm probably making more of this than needs to be done, but I'm fascinated by the implications for aquariums. I'm also fascinated by the relationship of freshwater systems and reef systems, so it's kind of cool.

The ideas discussed here are not new. Not really rocket science for most reefers. But interesting stuff to "sweep out from under the rug", take another look at with a different mindset, and see what lessons we can draw from it.

I think that is kind of fun.

What are your thoughts on this. What takeaways or hypothesis do YOU have from this discovery that might have implications for our hobby endeavors?

Discuss.

Stay nice. Stay inquisitive. Stay engaged.

And stay wet.

Scott Fellman




 
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Thank You Scott.
Yea I dumped the other half 24oz of my Fiji mud in the tank yesterday. I do that. Have for years now. My Deep sand beds both have a can in each, plus a hand full of sand from my beach. And I feel I'm fortunate to have real seawater (scripps) for the tank.
Its part of the conversation of Nutrition and Nutritionists. Eating foods high in nutrition or eating foods and supplements designed to give us the nutrition we need, or what current science says we need and is good for us. (remember margarine?) There are good products, but.

@Wiz a good read.
 
No time now. But i will read tonight. Thanks for the tag salty :-)
Thank You Scott.
Yea I dumped the other half 24oz of my Fiji mud in the tank yesterday. I do that. Have for years now. My Deep sand beds both have a can in each, plus a hand full of sand from my beach. And I feel I'm fortunate to have real seawater (scripps) for the tank.
Its part of the conversation of Nutrition and Nutritionists. Eating foods high in nutrition or eating foods and supplements designed to give us the nutrition we need, or what current science says we need and is good for us. (remember margarine?) There are good products, but.

@Wiz a good read.
 
Cool stuff, saltyfilmfolks...I think there is probably more there than meets the eye in terms of takeaways for reef keeping; it is interesting to ponder!

-Scott
 
Just one more reason for me to stand in awe from the shore and wonder what lies undiscovered out in the depths.
The amazon has evolved so differently than the rest of the world and I wonder if it's uniqueness has influenced how the sea creatures on this reef have evolved as well ? I just imagine different looking crabs, shrimp, etc., that have never been discovered.
I have used various muds in my fuges. I really thought that after a while the water was just passing over it with little exchange of any trace elements.
I want to try a kalk stirrer and rig it up to recirculate somehow back into the fuge to get more minerals out if the mud to be more beneficial.
After reading this replicating the river feeding minerals through an ATO somehow ?

My wheels never stop turning and this could be a silly idea.
 
Just one more reason for me to stand in awe from the shore and wonder what lies undiscovered out in the depths.
The amazon has evolved so differently than the rest of the world and I wonder if it's uniqueness has influenced how the sea creatures on this reef have evolved as well ? I just imagine different looking crabs, shrimp, etc., that have never been discovered.
I have used various muds in my fuges. I really thought that after a while the water was just passing over it with little exchange of any trace elements.
I want to try a kalk stirrer and rig it up to recirculate somehow back into the fuge to get more minerals out if the mud to be more beneficial.
After reading this replicating the river feeding minerals through an ATO somehow ?

My wheels never stop turning and this could be a silly idea.
I'm seeing a "mud stirrer" in someone's future! Hey, no idea is too crazy if it works, lol. Really, it's just fun to ponder the possibilities...a lot of "putting two and two together", like studying some of the nutrient aspects of the Amazon, and what is actually carried out to sea...And I couldn't help but think about the number of sponge species discovered there...ameks sense, right? Filter feeder paradise...This is the part where sharper reef minds than mine need to chime in! Wonder if there are any non-photsyntheitc corals thriving there...and could this be a clue...I mean, Goniopora thrive in silty or turbid water; I can't help but wonder about other corals...?

-Scott:rolleyes:
 
Cool stuff, saltyfilmfolks...I think there is probably more there than meets the eye in terms of takeaways for reef keeping; it is interesting to ponder!

-Scott
I'm kinda on the page with the notorious Paul B. Not as much time to commit to it though. Nature is a lot bigger than we are. I soooo wanna see some pics of that reef

Hey thanks for your work at wetweb. We spent many hours reading your stuff. I got to thank Bob in person, he lives down here. He was taller than I pictured.;)
 
This reef could be very good for the "hobbie". You've seen the pics and reports about how colorful and beautiful it is. It's protected. And any of the life exported out if it you would expect to be super adaptable.
We've only seen and heard about the corals and sponges so far, which is good enough, but I guarantee there are fish and inverts living there that don't live anywhere else.
Won't be long before someone has an "Amazon delta reef" themed tank, and as long as the protections remain I'm all for it!

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This reef could be very good for the "hobbie". You've seen the pics and reports about how colorful and beautiful it is. It's protected. And any of the life exported out if it you would expect to be super adaptable.
We've only seen and heard about the corals and sponges so far, which is good enough, but I guarantee there are fish and inverts living there that don't live anywhere else.
Won't be long before someone has an "Amazon delta reef" themed tank, and as long as the protections remain I'm all for it!

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I agree..I think it would be a huge mistake to even think of taking any life from this system...the good news is that it's way too treacherous and difficult to get to for this to be even considered...But the idea of trying to replicate something like this with similar types of corals from other locales is kind of irresistible! :)
 
It is not a mistake to take life from this system. Quite the opposite. Gather while you may.
Again, it is in an area that is environmentally protected, pirates be danged, but NOT oil companies be danged. We need to act fast to capture what is there (or propagate what is there in reefer speak) because it wont last much longer.
Not intended to start a flame war with right wingers, but this reef system is under duress from climate change and is almost certainly doomed by oil drilling: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d...t-the-amazon-rivers-hidden-reef/#.VyQtDjaLcpE

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...laware-found-at-the-mouth-of-the-amazon-river
 
It is not a mistake to take life from this system. Quite the opposite. Gather while you may.
Again, it is in an area that is environmentally protected, pirates be ******, but NOT oil companies be ******. We need to act fast to capture what is there (or propagate what is there in reefer speak) because it wont last much longer.
Not intended to start a flame war with right wingers, but this reef system is under duress from climate change and is almost certainly doomed by oil drilling: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d...t-the-amazon-rivers-hidden-reef/#.VyQtDjaLcpE

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...laware-found-at-the-mouth-of-the-amazon-river
I see your point, but I am doubtful that a viable collection could take place under the treacherous conditions...interesting stuff!
 
I would definitely agree with this but with some stipulations. I think that the collection should be With the primary purpose of aquaculture. Not just rushing these things to everybody's home where most if not all will die. A slow steady collection of the ones needed by top aquaculterers until we can aquaculture them and keep them viable. Then leave it alone. I know the article says that it's in danger and it's probably true But these ecosystems have adapted and made their way this far there's nothing to say that they might not overcome on their own. Miraculous things are always happening and I think we should take that into account.
It is not a mistake to take life from this system. Quite the opposite. Gather while you may.
Again, it is in an area that is environmentally protected, pirates be ******, but NOT oil companies be ******. We need to act fast to capture what is there (or propagate what is there in reefer speak) because it wont last much longer.
Not intended to start a flame war with right wingers, but this reef system is under duress from climate change and is almost certainly doomed by oil drilling: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d...t-the-amazon-rivers-hidden-reef/#.VyQtDjaLcpE

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...laware-found-at-the-mouth-of-the-amazon-river
 
Normally, I am in favor of leaving untouched/pristine ecosystems alone, but knowing how oil exploration is going, I think we should gather what we can and start aquaculturing them immediately. Plus, we need to learn what we can about these organisms while we still can.
 
I was unaware that there was a reef in the mouth of the Amazon. What a crazy and wonderful thing. Brings to mind a few questions. First and most important on my mind is the conditions of the mouth of a river. I mean turbidity aside. Temperature and salinity Seem pretty important to me. I would imagine that salinity would be lower. I don't even know what to think about temperature. Then there's the surrounding ecosystem which should be very unique for the mouth of a river. How that interacts should be another pretty big aspect. As far as the mud. I was recently discussing My zoanthids on a thread I made and It had occurred to me that whenever I stir up my sand bed By vacuuming or moving it around and I get the cloud of dust in my tank Coincidence or not the following day my corals are always very large and fluffy looking zoas are always extremely open and healthy-looking the entire tank seems to benefit from stirring the sand. Which is strange because most would tell you to be careful because it would hurt the tank.I have read that Reefs generally form on the edge of a drop off. And benefit from the current hitting the base of the drop off at stirring nutrients up into the water column along its ledge. I'm wondering if the turbidity of the river meeting the ocean serves that same purpose only on a flat surface. And also if stirring the sand in our tanks on a regular basis allows limited stored nutrients to escape back into the water column therefore triggering a response from the corals.Getting that same reaction from the zoanthids gonipora and other filter feeders from the sediment that results. I'm going to need to research this reef and read about it. Thanks @Scott Fellman very good read
 
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Thanks for the great writeup @Scott Fellman, as always!!!
No problem...I just read an article on the discovery and was like, "Hmm..I'll bet that reefers have some thoughts on this!" Lots of cool ideas and takeaways from this recent discovery, I think. Good discussion!
 
Would be really funny to recreate a species tank with those specific to this reef, just looks like a muddy cloud haha. "I swear there are beautiful corals and creatures in there trust me."

Anyway thank you for the awesome write up! Like usual the ecosystems underwater will forever be beyond fascinating!
 
Great read! I find this whole discovery fascinating. The Earth is in a constant state of change and perhaps at one time this reef was just like any other reef system. Perhaps as the Amazon grew into the huge river system we know today more and more silt, nutrients and fresh water was delivered to the reef and with time and Darwinian Evolution species began to change and adapt to the new conditions. Like you Scott I am a believer in DNA, if it's there it will find a way to survive. Life always finds a way and this is a perfect example of this. It's ironic that, as I understand it, this system was discovered while surveying for oil. A great discovery on the possible precipice of it's destruction due to man's constant intervention in the search for oil. Collection and study of the reefs' flora and fauna is pretty much inevitable, I only hope it's preservation will become a priority and not just a "grab what you can and run" reaction.
 
Yeah I am fascinated but really want pics!! Great thread folks!
 

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