The Mindstream is DEAD!! I'm getting mine soon!

Doesnt need a calibration fluid as you would think, but a known base solution with know levels. Basically NSW that is medically grade tested. Technically after calibration it could be drained into your tank. Also the tested water can drain back to your tank. No reagent down the drain or test water wasted. Unfortunately their is no way to test alk with ion probes and you still require a separate unit.

That is an advantage that the Mindstream has. No wasted water or reagent fluids and can test alk.
Mind stream is diffrent thsn the traditional ion based probs. It uses fluorescent lighting to read a color off ionized strip.
Ion probs work diffrently..
 
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Agreed. I think they mentioned 10$ per probe to replace. How often I guess is an unknown (Likely similar to Trident).

Someone really needs to come up with one for Phosphate, it looks like just about everything else is covered now. Maybe GHL will surprise us
All ion probs testers will have phosphate and potassium testing.
Ghl promised to give more and I believe them. When ghl say something they live up to it and do not trick their customers with hidden issues.
Also I would be suprised if you need to change it more frequent than once a year..
 
All ion probs testers will have phosphate and potassium testing.
Ghl promised to give more and I believe them. When ghl say something they live up to it and do not trick their customers with hidden issues.
Also I would be suprised if you need to change it more frequent than once a year..
Yeah, coralvue said over a year in one of their videos but I am not sure if that is marketing speak for 366 days or they don't know or it will be probe dependent. Xepta doesn't list Phosphate as one it tests. I don't see why it couldn't be added later though.
 
Yeah, coralvue said over a year in one of their videos but I am not sure if that is marketing speak for 366 days or they don't know or it will be probe dependent. Xepta doesn't list Phosphate as one it tests. I don't see why it couldn't be added later though.
I think it will be the case. Think about it. It's an electrical prob.. how often you need to change your ph prob compared to ph test kit?

I think it will be good year. But time will tell. Couplenof months and we know...worth the wait.
 
Woild be useful if mindstream folks do some comparison against trident and ghl in term of monthly costs... they might end up being cheaper than the test if you take in to account the monthly subscription includes everything as oppose to buy reagents and doing annual maintenance in trident or other, not to mention the number of test mindstream does...might be a good deal.
Some marketing positioning is needed to explain to customera.


I did a quick comparison between the MindStream and the Trident over a four-year period. FWIW: I placed an order for the MindStream since I can't get my hands on the Trident to date, but I really could make a case for either. I hoping we get some feedback from the beta tester of the MindStream in the next few weeks before my unit will ship. If we don't I might consider that suspect, and cancel my order.

Here's the cost breakdown over a four year period for the base hardware, manufactures recommended service, and reagents. I picked four years since I don't know the cost to service the MindStream yet at the five-year mark.

Neptune Trident
Base Unit Cost = $600
Service - every 18-24 months is less than $100 for a self-service kit or $150-$200 for a factory job. = Self service $200 - Factory $300 to $400
Reagents for four years = $1080 (I confirmed the calibration standard ships with the reagents so you should recalibrate every two months according to Neptune's FAQ)
Four Year Total Cost = $1880 to $2,080

MindStream
Base Unit Cost = $1,000
Service - Every five years = $0
Subscription Disk = $34.95 per month or $1677 for four years
Four Year Total Cost = $2,677

Looking from this angle, I agree the basic cost comparison looks bad for MindStream, but there are other factors I would consider. If we assume the perfect world again and the accuracy between the devices is close, the question we should be asking is... Are you willing to pay $149.25 to $199.25 per year for the additional seven parameters, 15-minute sample intervals, no calibration required ever, and no wastewater or clogged tubes to deal with?

The comparison above also assumes the person already owns an Apex base unit... If not, add an additional $400 for the head unit to control the Trident. Here's what that would look like just for fun.

Neptune Trident + Apex Head Unit

Apex Head Unit = $400
Base Unit Cost = $600
Service - every 18-24 months is less than $100 for a self-service kit or $150-$200 for a factory job. = Self service $200 - Factory $300 to $400
Reagents for four years = $1080 (I confirmed the calibration standard ships with the reagents so you should recalibrate every two months according to Neptune's FAQ)
Four Year Total Cost = $2,280 to $2,480

Now the price delta is only $49.25 - $99.25 per year.

I'm sure MindStream already figured that out and maybe that's why it's priced the way it is. I guess time will tell if their successful with these decisions.
 
do you even think the trident will even last a year? there failure rate is pretty high with all there other add ons.
 
do you even think the trident will even last a year? there failure rate is pretty high with all there other add ons.
 

Neptune Trident + Apex Head Unit

Apex Head Unit = $400
Base Unit Cost = $600
Service - every 18-24 months is less than $100 for a self-service kit or $150-$200 for a factory job. = Self service $200 - Factory $300 to $400
Reagents for four years = $1080 (I confirmed the calibration standard ships with the reagents so you should recalibrate every two months according to Neptune's FAQ)
Four Year Total Cost = $2,280 to $2,480

Now the price delta is only $49.25 - $99.25 per year.

I'm sure MindStream already figured that out and maybe that's why it's priced the way it is. I guess time will tell if their successful with these decisions.


This is why I’m holding out for the aBex. I have a Apex classic . I bought it like 2 months before the 2016 model came out.

The aBex looks the most promising to me.
 
I did a quick comparison between the MindStream and the Trident over a four-year period. FWIW: I placed an order for the MindStream since I can't get my hands on the Trident to date, but I really could make a case for either. I hoping we get some feedback from the beta tester of the MindStream in the next few weeks before my unit will ship. If we don't I might consider that suspect, and cancel my order.

Here's the cost breakdown over a four year period for the base hardware, manufactures recommended service, and reagents. I picked four years since I don't know the cost to service the MindStream yet at the five-year mark.

Neptune Trident
Base Unit Cost = $600
Service - every 18-24 months is less than $100 for a self-service kit or $150-$200 for a factory job. = Self service $200 - Factory $300 to $400
Reagents for four years = $1080 (I confirmed the calibration standard ships with the reagents so you should recalibrate every two months according to Neptune's FAQ)
Four Year Total Cost = $1880 to $2,080

MindStream
Base Unit Cost = $1,000
Service - Every five years = $0
Subscription Disk = $34.95 per month or $1677 for four years
Four Year Total Cost = $2,677

Looking from this angle, I agree the basic cost comparison looks bad for MindStream, but there are other factors I would consider. If we assume the perfect world again and the accuracy between the devices is close, the question we should be asking is... Are you willing to pay $149.25 to $199.25 per year for the additional seven parameters, 15-minute sample intervals, no calibration required ever, and no wastewater or clogged tubes to deal with?

The comparison above also assumes the person already owns an Apex base unit... If not, add an additional $400 for the head unit to control the Trident. Here's what that would look like just for fun.

Neptune Trident + Apex Head Unit

Apex Head Unit = $400
Base Unit Cost = $600
Service - every 18-24 months is less than $100 for a self-service kit or $150-$200 for a factory job. = Self service $200 - Factory $300 to $400
Reagents for four years = $1080 (I confirmed the calibration standard ships with the reagents so you should recalibrate every two months according to Neptune's FAQ)
Four Year Total Cost = $2,280 to $2,480

Now the price delta is only $49.25 - $99.25 per year.

I'm sure MindStream already figured that out and maybe that's why it's priced the way it is. I guess time will tell if their successful with these decisions.
Great and useful data thank you.

What this missing is the cost of apex. Trident is not stand alone and to add it you need apex 2016..
 
This is why I’m holding out for the aBex. I have a Apex classic . I bought it like 2 months before the 2016 model came out.

The aBex looks the most promising to me.
You should look at kh director and ion director from GHL. They are also very good options.
There is good value in stand alone equipment.
Ghl khd and ion director will give testing and dosing ability in one unit. Along side clpid tool monitoring and notification..
 
Lots of good posts. But not one .. not one beta tester giving up results or a video of it in action. You can purchase it. But again no real true reviews. We have the vendor on this site. I am sure they are reading all these posts. Perhaps they will direct us to a link video or review. If they don’t respond with one something is wrong. Just my 2 cents worth .
put down 1000 and the that it arrives. are they expecting payment prior to delivery? And would delivery be past the time to dispute it on a credit card then? These are real questions that any vendor would answer on this forum right away. So looking forward to some clear answers from the rep for the company. Waiting patiently. here.
 
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Lots of good posts. But not one .. not one beta tester giving up results or a video of it in action. You can purchase it. But again no real true reviews. Something is wrong here.
That is what I am saying. I also follow their FB page and only one person said they got theirs. Considering orders started Saturday and there is a 6-8 week lead time, I have no idea how he got his Monday. Especially because everyone else who ordered has not gotten a shipping email yet.
 
Lots of good posts. But not one .. not one beta tester giving up results or a video of it in action. You can purchase it. But again no real true reviews. Something is wrong here.
It's such a new product, give it time.
You did not see alot of beta tester fata from Neptune did you? They been working on trident for 2 years.
Neither you have seen data from ion director from ghl..they are launching in couple of months, for sure there is beta testing going on, I think they just keep it tight till they release to control the message.
I would not trust beta testing testimonies anyway. Only when its in hands of regular customers that you start seeing real performance and issues.
 
It's such a new product, give it time.
You did not see alot of beta tester fata from Neptune did you? They been working on trident for 2 years.
Neither you have seen data from ion director from ghl..they are launching in couple of months, for sure there is beta testing going on, I think they just keep it tight till they release to control the message.
But when Apex announced the release they were all over answering questions and beta testers were helping out as well. Their forum and FB page had tons of info and active discussions. Tons of information was released. It has been 4 days now and still nothing from anyone, company or beta. NDA should be done by now.
 
But when Apex announced the release they were all over answering questions and beta testers were helping out as well. Their forum and FB page had tons of info and active discussions. Tons of information was released. It has been 4 days now and still nothing from anyone, company or beta. NDA should be done by now.
Agreed but you cannot compare mindstream to Neptune or ghl yet.
Look at their website, it's small innovative team. I would wait a bit they should address questions. Unit is not available yet...
My 2 cents.
 
Agreed but you cannot compare mindstream to Neptune yet.
Look at their website, it's small innovative team. I would wait a bit they should address questions. Unit is not available yet...
My 2 cents.
Small innovative team? They acquired over $7 million in funding.
 
Small innovative team? They acquired over $7 million in funding.
Funding have nothing to do with their innovation..
They are still small. At least based on their website.
Actually funding prove they had good ideas that they secured funding on..
 

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