There’s no such thing as lineage...

[Epic Aquaculture]

I'm all in - let us go ask the Queen of England or any other royal to take a 23andMe test...Snarky point aside when we start talking about ancestors the slope starts to get slippery really really fast.

Dogs really isn't a apples to apples comparison because of registration and documentation if you choose to pay for it. dang and sire is listed. I can look at my GSD's papers and it is right there. Same with my labs, etc. Dogs that I didn't register but are rescues I know the breed, or partial breed, but nothing more.

Thus my point about a homewrecker being nothing more than a Acropora at the end of the day that carries a premium price due to the color and name. Pretty sure DNA testing would confirm this. This isn't anything against it or any other pretentious named coral or owner of said business. Lord knows I won't judge somebody when I have my own guilty pleasures of consuming expensive bottles of wine only to sit back and say dang...there goes a Gem Tang....

You could always enjoy that wine with some nice pan fried Gem Tang with a lemon buerre blanc sauce

 

[User1]

You could always enjoy that wine with some nice pan fried Gem Tang with a lemon buerre blanc sauce

Lol. I do believe some islanders spear fish and eat tangs. That would be a double whammy for sure

Edit: Lemon buerre blanc sauce sounds dang yummy though. I'm curious as to a recipe so off I go.

 

[rkpetersen]

I wasn’t aware that DNA in reefing was that advanced

It's not. That claim demands proof; I'm fairly sure that it won't be forthcoming.

 

[User1]

You could always enjoy that wine with some nice pan fried Gem Tang with a lemon buerre blanc sauce

So....found a recipe and will serve it up this weekend with some blackened chicken and a bottle of Paul Hobbs Chardonnay, Edward James Estate 2016. I may switch it to Halibut though, we shall see. My family isn't too much into fish but I think it would sit well with that sauce.

Thanks @SawCJack00

 

[Epic Aquaculture]

So....found a recipe and will serve it up this weekend with some blackened chicken and a bottle of Paul Hobbs Chardonnay, Edward James Estate 2016. I may switch it to Halibut though, we shall see. My family isn't too much into fish but I think it would sit well with that sauce.

Thanks @SawCJack00

You'll enjoy it. If you can get some yellow tail snapper, or any snapper for that matter it goes really well. By the way what time is dinner

 

[sixty_reefer]

It's not. That claim demands proof; I'm fairly sure that it won't be forthcoming.

Doubt it [emoji6]

 

[EMeyer]

I wasn’t aware that DNA in reefing was that advanced, might be something good to read later on. Last time I’ve read something they could only identify the genus, like tenuis, valida etc... didn’t knew it was possible to identify a particular colour morph also.

Sorry for any lack of clarity. I didnt mean to imply there is some kit a hobbyist can currently buy that would do this.

But the genetic markers that coral biologists use for genetic work could easily be applied for this purpose. These multiple markers are the same kind of approach used to test for paternity in human cases. And modern methods don't require developing markers for each species, so its no challenge to compare some A. tenuis with some A. tenuis, then later compare some A. hyacinthus with some A. hyacinthus. See as an example, any modern genetic paper on corals using DNA sequencing based approaches.

But coral biologists have no motivation to do this.

Someone with training and motivation could fairly easily do it. But the only obstacle is, would the market actually support it? People would have to pay (somewhere on the order of $50 per sample) to get a colony certified, and there would have to be a sample from the "original colony" to compare it to. Since the seller would be paying this, they would want to be rewarded with more sales or higher prices. Would buyers actually support this?

 

[EMeyer]

To expand on that a little - the question is a simple one. Are these two samples genetically identical or not?

Answering this question requires a few genetic markers - parts of the genome that are different in different individuals. One has an A, one has a T, etc. We call them markers when we have a way of measuring them.

Modern sequencing based approaches have made it straightforward to find and measure large numbers of genetic markers all at once in any species.

So answering this question really just comes down to two samples (one from the 'original', and one from the colony someone claims is the same thing). Extract the DNA, prepare the samples for sequencing in a particular way, and sequence them. The question can be answered with high certainty, comparable to human tests of paternity.

The materials and service costs are not high. $5-$10 per sample. Add in all the other business expenses and its feasible to say a colony can be genetically certified as being identical with the 'original' for a retail cost of ~about $50.

I am skeptical the market exists but would bee curious to be proven wrong

 

[sixty_reefer]

To expand on that a little - the question is a simple one. Are these two samples genetically identical or not?

Answering this question requires a few genetic markers - parts of the genome that are different in different individuals. One has an A, one has a T, etc. We call them markers when we have a way of measuring them.

Modern sequencing based approaches have made it straightforward to find and measure large numbers of genetic markers all at once in any species.

So answering this question really just comes down to two samples (one from the 'original', and one from the colony someone claims is the same thing). Extract the DNA, prepare the samples for sequencing in a particular way, and sequence them. The question can be answered with high certainty, comparable to human tests of paternity.

The materials and service costs are not high. $5-$10 per sample. Add in all the other business expenses and its feasible to say a colony can be genetically certified as being identical with the 'original' for a retail cost of ~about $50.

I am skeptical the market exists but would bee curious to be proven wrong

The market is here believe me, technology hard to say. Am pretty sure testing would slightly more than 50$ you forgetting reef tax so maybe in order of the 500$

Am just wondering why they not doing it yet, we talking today’s day wend there’s a million $ worth of frag on sale, why wouldn’t you not want to insure lineage or brand? If joe my local LFS owner finds a coral that looks slightly similar his shop he’s going to feel like we won the lottery. And be very glad to sell it at 500.000,00 and no one will be able to prove him wrong either [emoji6]

 

[mkwarner77]

My dogs are Mutts but darn cute and I love them. Any corals I get will be because I like the looks. Not a fake lineage bunch of crap.

my dogs a mutt too, and so was my last one, lol

 

[EMeyer]

The market is here believe me, technology hard to say. Am pretty sure testing would slightly more than 50$ you forgetting reef tax so maybe in order of the 500$

Am just wondering why they not doing it yet, we talking today’s day wend there’s a million $ worth of frag on sale, why wouldn’t you not want to insure lineage or brand? If joe my local LFS owner finds a coral that looks slightly similar his shop he’s going to feel like we won the lottery. And be very glad to sell it at 500.000,00 and no one will be able to prove him wrong either [emoji6]

The technology aspect is what I do. It would literally take a few hours work and <$10 of supplies. I'm confident in the tech and price estimates. I'm not sure the market is. But I am interested to hear that you think there is a market for it..

 

[sixty_reefer]

The technology aspect is what I do. It would literally take a few hours work and QUOTE]

If you could match the genomes to a certain colour morph you would definitely have a market. And am sure as prices on certain morphs rise ppl would want some sort of papers to make sure they buying the real deal. And not a look alike. If you can do that for 50$ that’s noting on the bigger vision.