Third time better be the charm

[tbrown]

I am hesitant to join them together. Since I run moonshiners on the reef joining them together would increase the water volume and in that the cost of the supplements. With this being a fowlr I'm not sure that would make sense. Dosing more just due to the volume not more corals.

I wonder about this part...

Science says that you're right but my analytical mind that refuses to shut up and listen doesn't agree.

If your tank is uptaking minerals and such because of the corals, wouldn't it stand to reason that, increasing the water volume but not increasing the coral draw would keep the dose the same?

Basically, 5 pounds of coral in 200 gallons of water needs the same amount of iodine as 5 pounds of water in 40 gallons of water? Therefore, with the exception of the initial dose to get the new water volume to be the same values as the old tank, the usage each day won't necessarily increase.

However, with that said, the FOWLR tanks do tend to be dirtier so your bioload on the sump would be greater and you'd potentially have to run additional filtration.

 

[exnisstech]

I have this and a backup collecting dust. Just saying

 

[Stang67]

I wonder about this part...

Science says that you're right but my analytical mind that refuses to shut up and listen doesn't agree.

If your tank is uptaking minerals and such because of the corals, wouldn't it stand to reason that, increasing the water volume but not increasing the coral draw would keep the dose the same?

Basically, 5 pounds of coral in 200 gallons of water needs the same amount of iodine as 5 pounds of water in 40 gallons of water? Therefore, with the exception of the initial dose to get the new water volume to be the same values as the old tank, the usage each day won't necessarily increase.

However, with that said, the FOWLR tanks do tend to be dirtier so your bioload on the sump would be greater and you'd potentially have to run additional filtration.

Your thinking would be right. Think of it this way though. If I was just doing water changes to address uptake in the 180g I would change out 20% say per month, 36g per month. If I tie the 2 together and have a 300g system 20% would be 60g. Still more regardless of what's consuming the nutrients in the salt mix. Same theory with MS. All the calculations are based on total water volume. Plus if I add in an extra 120 it would be deluting the additives.
Even then I would need a bigger skimmer to handle the full 300g for let's say 500$ vs a second skimmer for 300$. I'm not against the idea but no matter how I'm looking at it it doesn't make much sense $$ wise to me. Plus cross contamination with any new fish scares the heck out of me. I'll be moving some rock over to seed the new tank but if any new fish brought in something that wiped out the 180g I'd be devastated. Plus the aptasia and bubble algae issue.

 

[Stang67]

CRAP I'm starting to sound like @F i s h y.

 

[tbrown]

Your thinking would be right. Think of it this way though. If I was just doing water changes to address uptake in the 180g I would change out 20% say per month, 36g per month. If I tie the 2 together and have a 300g system 20% would be 60g. Still more regardless of what's consuming the nutrients in the salt mix. Same theory with MS. All the calculations are based on total water volume. Plus if I add in an extra 120 it would be deluting the additives.
Even then I would need a bigger skimmer to handle the full 300g for let's say 500$ vs a second skimmer for 300$. I'm not against the idea but no matter how I'm looking at it it doesn't make much sense $$ wise to me. Plus cross contamination with any new fish scares the heck out of me. I'll be moving some rock over to seed the new tank but if any new fish brought in something that wiped out the 180g I'd be devastated. Plus the aptasia and bubble algae issue.

Makes sense if you're doing water changes for sure! Good call keeping them separated.

 

[tbrown]

CRAP I'm starting to sound like @F i s h y.

Not enough lawyer speak. There was college stuff in there for sure though!

 

[Stang67]

Makes sense if you're doing water changes for sure! Good call keeping them separated.

Come on

 

[Stang67]

I am so lucky to be part of such a wonderful family.

 

[Stang67]

Mike looked at the basement today. We can center the tank so it will sit where the mock up is or close to it.

Then for the sump set up. The tub will sit perpendicular to the wall. That way it will fit between the 2 floor joists. I can run the plumbing similar to the 180g using gravity to help the drains and the return can have a pretty straight shot back up. I will have access to 3 sides of the sump and can still use the existing mixing station for all water changs. We will run 2 4 plug boxes downstairs one under each window and another 4 upstairs. Now to start some minor demo and gathering funds together.
Will have to forgo the aluminium stand. I will be using my original stand instead. So it will match well enough for me since the stain is the same.

Should I start another thread or just rename this one?

 

[fishguy242]

I'd say just keep this one going ...

 

[MrsBugmaster]

Sounds like a good plan so far. Well thought out.

Should I start another thread or just rename this one?

Well that’s up to you, but I don’t need yet another thread to follow. It’s already taking me an hour each morning to catch up J/k I’d still follow that thread too.

 

[danieyella]

I vote keep it all together, that's the route I decided to take this time, less work for me to maintain one thread than multiples

 

[exnisstech]

I vote keep it here too.

 

[Goaway]

Im too dumb to keep track of everything. Have mercy!

 

[Stang67]

Ok final decision. Overflow and returns. I'm thinking kiss. Same set up as the 180g. Center the external synergy ghost overflow on the back and 2 return holes one on left one on right.
Since it's a Fowlr flow isn't going to be "as important" Except for the detritus aspect. So I was going to go with a Sicce Syncra SDC 7.0. This is a similar return pump just a step down from what I have on the 180g. I like that it's controllable. Powerheads will be the main source of turbitity. I am going to use the ones I have left over that I pulled off the 180g 2 controllable Sicce xstreams.
Am I missing anything flow wise?

 

[F i s h y]

Ok final decision. Overflow and returns. I'm thinking kiss. Same set up as the 180g. Center the external synergy ghost overflow on the back and 2 return holes one on left one on right.
Since it's a Fowlr flow isn't going to be "as important" Except for the detritus aspect. So I was going to go with a Sicce Syncra SDC 7.0. This is a similar return pump just a step down from what I have on the 180g. I like that it's controllable. Powerheads will be the main source of turbitity. I am going to use the ones I have left over that I pulled off the 180g 2 controllable Sicce xstreams.
Am I missing anything flow wise?

if you are having the tank built do you have to use the synergy? can Joe build one on like he did for my tank?

 

[Stang67]

if you are having the tank built do you have to use the synergy? can Joe build one on like he did for my tank?

He could build it like yours for sure. My only concern with the overflow being on an end is that the way the tank juts out into the room. I would prefer to see through the length of it to the other side. If it was going to be bumped into a corner the end overflow was what I wanted. That would have hid the plumbing. Now that i can get it centered i thought it better not to have the pipes exposed. Does that make any sense? If we went your style overflow across the back though that may work.

 

[F i s h y]

He could build it like yours for sure. My only concern with the overflow being on an end is that the way the tank juts out into the room. I would prefer to see through the length of it to the other side. If it was going to be bumped into a corner the end overflow was what I wanted. That would have hid the plumbing. Now that i can get it centered i thought it better not to have the pipes exposed. Does that make any sense? If we went your style overflow across the back though that may work.

That makes perfect sense to me. For sure wouldn't put it on the short end with how it will be sitting. I do know he has done some overflows on the long sides so may just be a question to ask not sure if it would be full length or not. He might only offer coast to coast or the external ghost on the long ends, i do not remember.

 

[Stang67]

Demo (mostly) done and cleaned up. Yeah asbestos. Feels like I just smoked a pack of Camel's unfiltered.

 

[MrsBugmaster]

Demo (mostly) done and cleaned up. Yeah asbestos. Feels like I just smoked a pack of Camel's unfiltered.

I hope you were wearing a mask