This hobby hates me...

Yes I like other think its your RODI water causing the issue. Just because it comes out of the RODI does not mean it is any good. The water source could have already blown the filters in your filter.
 
This is how it is in this hobby. I think the majority of us have to go through what you're experiencing right now at some point. It is never ending! You have to constantly learn and improve. Some of us had quite and got back in many times! I did! I have tanks that are just down right stupid lol. Wasted a lot of money. Even my current tank I am learning so much from. It's a vast improvement over my previous tanks, but there are so much more room for improvement.

I think that's where the fun comes in. It's cool to see aweseome tanks online or even in person, but it's a whole new experience when it's your tank! Trust me. That's the feeling that some of us here were referring to. It is YOUR tank... Your idea and your creation. And when the fish are healthy and corals are growing, mannnnnnn.... The best feeling ever. But the "ohhh **** this hobby sucks or ****....Another issue with the tank or ****... Stupid fish is agressive to my new fish!", which happens to be your favorite fish! The new fish is almost always your favorite.... Arrr stress and annoyance... See what I mean? How about a tank leak? Skimmer overflow and flooded the house while your in bed! But you have to learn from these bad experiences and improve and move on. COme up with measures to prevent the skimmer from overflowing or have a game plan in case your tank leak...

What you are feeling now with your first tank will not end even when you have many years of experience and have a successful tank running! If you are afraid then get out lol. I am still in it and in it for as long as I am physicall and financially able. That's my level of commitment to this hobby. I think it's one of the most rewarding hobbies that we humans can have. It's an amazing experience imo. It's not a static type of hobby at all. You MUST learn and Improve... Your tank will reflect your level of reef keeping and dedication. I do judge the owner by his tank! haha

Have fun and good luck! You can do it!
 
So after 3 months I've decided this hobby hates me and I'm beginning to hate this hobby. As much as I wanted to get into this, and it doesn't seem to matter how badly I wanted this aquarium, it's just not working out and to be honest, I feel like an fool for still having it set up.

It all started in March, when I bought the stuff and set it up. I filled it with water, crushed coral and 2 pounds of live rock along with 14 pounds of dry rock. I added a shrimp to start the cycle and let it rot, just as recommended. I did everything right, or so I thought, to set the foundation for a good tank. Ammonia came up, nitrites came up and nitrates came up. Ammonia and nitrites went down.... and nitrates well.. went off the charts. I bought another 14 pounds of dry rock and another couple pounds of live rock and into the tank. I waited. Patiently. Went through a mega pod explosion but they all disappeared in a week. Still waiting patiently. Adding no fish, just waiting. Diatoms started, nitrates 160ppm. Diatoms left, nitrates 160ppm. Water change... water change... water change... water change... water change... nitrates 160ppm. 50% water change... Nitrates 80ppm. 2 DAYS later.. nitrates 160ppm. Water change.... ADD SKIMMER.... water change... water change... nitrates 80ppm... water change... water change... water change... water change... nitrates 160ppm. patience gone... 50% water change... bought 5 crabs. nitrates 80ppm... 2 days later... nitrates 160ppm... WATER CHANGE... WATER CHANGE START DOSING "Instant Ocean Natural Nitrate Reducer" water change water change water change........ nitrates.... 160ppm....


I was recommended to dose vinegar but I never started doing it because I wasn't sure how much vinegar to start putting in there.

I know you will ask so here goes:

30gallong tank standard 17w t8 flouresent bulb
30 pounds LR
Crushed Coral (I have some sand here but I've been waiting til my nitrates come down to swap it for fear of making things worse)
Ammonia 0
Nitrites 0
Nitrates 160
Temp 79
Salinity 1.024
Maxijet 400 circulation pump
Octopus Skimmer
HOB filter with blue media changed every 2-3 weeks
5 crabs (alive and well)
1 turbo snail (seems depressed)

Currently, diatoms are starting to spread... again.. but I think on rocks and areas that didn't grow them before. Some brown algae stuff growing on my equipment and I've just begun seeing different colored... "stuff" on the live rock. A small spot of bright green... small spot of yellow... small spot of black... dark green... purple... brown.. not much.. . just very small spots.

I don't know what else to do other than dosing the vinegar. .. My next course of action will probably be a sledge hammer

been there done all that.

Take all the advice you can.

Then let me tell you the dirty little secret.

All you had to do was partition your tank with 1/4" square plastic grid (egg crate) ($12 from building supply stores), add a couple of shop lights ($30 or so) with 6500k tubes (smaller tanks spiral pig tail type lights) pointing at the partition area, and add chaetomorphin macro algae (free to $10).

Your nitrates would be unmeasureable by now. Diatoms, cyano, ugly algae would die off by killing the top lights. And the system would be balanced and stable.

no need for live rock--landscape rocks will do.

no need for water changes.

just top off with untreated tap water.

You could have "cycled" the tank with a $2.00 male molly to get things going. Oh yea-cycling with macros means low to no ammonia and nitrIte spikes but a possible nitrate spike instead. Then when bacteria built up and consuming the ammonia, the macros start consuming nitrates so finally the nitrates drop down.


But all that is just my .02
 
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been there done all that.

Take all the advice you can.

Then let me tell you the dirty little secret.

All you had to do was partition your tank with 1/4" square plastic grid (egg crate) ($12 from building supply stores), add a couple of shop lights ($30 or so) with 6500k tubes (smaller tanks spiral pig tail type lights) pointing at the partition area, and add chaetomorphin macro algae (free to $10).

Your nitrates would be unmeasureable by now. Diatoms, cyano, ugly algae would die off by killing the top lights. And the system would be balanced and stable.

no need for live rock--landscape rocks will do.

no need for water changes.

just top off with untreated tap water.

You could have "cycled" the tank with a $2.00 male molly to get things going. Oh yea-cycling with macros means low to no ammonia and nitrIte spikes but a possible nitrate spike instead. Then when bacteria built up and consuming the ammonia, the macros start consuming nitrates so finally the nitrates drop down.


But all that is just my .02

Please show me a successful reef that has no rock, no sand, no other means of nutrient export other than cheato and is topped of with untreated tap water without water changes.
 
Here is a great read on dosing vinegar.

http://reefkeeping.com/joomla/index...ar-dosing-methodology-for-the-marine-aquarium

Here's the chart

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Don't get discouraged, believe me you can really get frustrated with your tank. I'm going through issues right now with mine. This hobby will try your patience constantly. This is also the rewarding part too. As you go through these ups and downs, you are constantly learning more and more. +1 on a good book, +1 on make your own RODI water, and +1 on taking a deep breath and relaxing. It's not an easy hobby, people with years of experience still have issues that baffle them from time to time. Keep testing your water, don't make any large coral purchases, and read read read
 
hey gemini - so sorry to hear you're still struggling with your tank......I posted in your high nitrate thread and read all of the responses. I would suggest going ahead and putting in your sand - you can mix it with some crushed coral if you'd like. Since there was quite a lot of trouble shooting on the previous thread - I would go ahead after you figure out what you're going to do with your sand and vinegar dose. Pete posted a great resource for you to use. Don't give up, you'll be able to figure this out and be patient. All hobbyists have experienced one problem or another and it really does pay off once you get your tank in good shape.

In terms of your algae spots, it may just be spots of coralline showing up. Coralline can come in many different colors. I'm not sure on the black though - if you can post some pictures of it, that may help identify it.
 
Sit back, relax, and put down the hammer safely! Find a hobbyist that can help you. Not to put down a lfs, but sometimes having someone youre not paying for advice will give you the best.

Best of luck to you.
 
I hope this comes across ok. If I read this right and you are only upset by high nitrates you are way over reacting. Buy some fish and some softies and get going. You spirits will rise immediately. Getting everything perfect is unlikely because these forums and this hobby give you way too much some times. Quit wasting water and let your tank stabalize. You will hopefully be surprised at how well you will be doing and start having some fun. I've been through it all in four years and still feel like I don't have a clue some days because I read these forums.
 
I hope this comes across ok. If I read this right and you are only upset by high nitrates you are way over reacting. Buy some fish and some softies and get going. You spirits will rise immediately. Getting everything perfect is unlikely because these forums and this hobby give you way too much some times. Quit wasting water and let your tank stabalize. You will hopefully be surprised at how well you will be doing and start having some fun. I've been through it all in four years and still feel like I don't have a clue some days because I read these forums.

I have to agree! Relax ! :)
 
I have been following this tank and its issues for a long time. The nitrate problem in this tank is being caused by the rocks leaching. I hope that information will be helpful to the advice given due to the abnormal circumstances.
 
- Newb advice -

If you're quite certain that the rock is causing your nitrates because the quality from the LFS was THAT poor, I would get rid of the rock (sell it or let it dry out) and get new rock. Also, I made a common mistake using an API test kit. Are you reading your results from the side of the tube color or the color when you look down the tube? Mine reads 10 from the side view and 80 from the top view.
 
+1 and +1 to the last 2 posts as far as your problem goes.

It think it's lijely you're reading the test incorrectly but if you aren't get new rock. Don't give up! There will be tons of set backs as your tank begins to mature but once you've got it down you will be glad you stuck to it :)
Jackie
 
Please show me a successful reef that has no rock, no sand, no other means of nutrient export other than cheato and is topped of with untreated tap water without water changes.

mine 5 years ago. LOL

BTW I didn't say no rock and no sand. Just no live rock. And by extension no live sand as well.

Hopefully you can accept bare bottom tanks have been successful.

I also had to dose calcium, alk, magnesium.

But the tank had several fish, a heavy bioload, soft type corals for over 5 years.

With macro algea, no water changes, and untreated tap water.

my .02
 

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