Three tanks dead due to velvet.

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We had three tanks and out of the three tanks two purple fire fish have lived. First starting out we added a clown trigger to our 50 gallon, the trigger at our LFS was in quarantine before we got him after two weeks of sitting there. We noticed that the trigger had white spots on him, around his mouth and fins. At the time we thought nothing of it but soon to come find out we may had just bought a fish with flukes.. After buying the clown we also bought 6 other fish, all showed no physical signs of having any parasites, and all these fish came from the same LFS. After about a few weeks of having the fish our heater blew up and right after the fish started to act out of character. All the fish died within 8 hours. We at first thought it was the heater, so we thought ok do a water change and give the tank awhile to get the electricity out of the tank. After a week of letting it sit we assumed it would be alright to buy some more fish. We bought three other fish, aclamated them for an hour an a half each and drip aclamated at the same time. So after about an hour and a half we put the fish in the 50 gallon tank. The three fish did good for three days ate twice a day and showed no signs of any problems so we were hopeful that the problem was sovled. The fourth morning all the fish ate and looked fine, once coming home around 1 o'clock I noticed that the clown trigger #2 and our valantino puffer were swimming but couldn't see our coral beauty.. Soon noticed he was on the sand bed gasping for air and not moving. In a panic we pulled him out and rushed him into our 22 gallon tank, which had two clown fish, one damsel, one athis (fancy bass), and two purple fire fish which are the ones that lived. So we put the coral beauty in the 22 gallon and at first he fell to the bottom still gasping for air so we at the time were just waiting to see any signs of him getting better.. while waiting we decided to also take out clown trigger out and put him in the 22 also but left him in the net while we got our quarantine tank ready to put the trigger and puffer in. So back to the coral beauty, after maybe three hours he started to swim around and looked to be way better so we were very hopeful that he was better.. Then we moved the trigger and puffer into the quarantine tank watching them to make sure they got acustom to the tank. Well after three days the coral beauty showed signs of gasping for air again and he was laying on the sand bed again. Immediately we took him out put him in the quarantine tank and within half an hour he died.. besides his death nothing was off with any of the fish in the 22 gallon or the other two fish at this point in the quarantine tank. Also all the while with this we've been checking our 50, 22, and quarantine tank for the right parameters and heat in the tanks. All was doing good and all of our corals were thriving so what ever was happening it was not effecting the corals.. Continuing on after another two days the trigger died, he showed physical signs right away. His eyes were cloudy, he had white spots all over him and his stomach was caved in. We again waited to see what would happen because at this point we had no clue what was causing them to die.. After seeing him look that way we waited about 20 minutes to see if he would pass on but he didn't so we left for work, came back home after maybe 5 hours and he was dead.. So at this point the puffer is the only fish alive in the quarantine tank, he showed no signs of him being sick. But after three days he stopped eating and the only physical sign he had was the tops of his eyes were cloudy. The next day he died.. Also after every fish death we hold them in our had and look to see if they show the same physical signs on their bodies, every fish usually had white spots on their fins and some had cloudy eyes. At this point we were like ok somethings killing our fish, we go into full investigation mode and first assume it was part heater blowing up that the first fish batch of fish died and the second was what we still assumed to be electricity due to that after the second batch of fish died, we found stray voltage in the tank and unplugged everything and found that there was some electricity so we made sure our grounder was good and left the tank be. Now after a week we put a damsel in the 50 gallon just to see if we solved the tank problem. At first he was acting fine but after three days he was swimming in front of the power head all day and within the fourth night he was dead.. (I also want to say that all of our fish that we bought were babies.) Anyway after the damsel died we kinda gave up on the fish, and still all the while the corals are doing great. So to this point we've let the tank sit for about two weeks, we've done multiple water changes and all we can do is wait and hopefully find an answer to figure out what to do.. Now during this all the 22 is doing great the fish and corals are all alive. But Wednesday of last week my fancy bass died.. But the I noticed Tuesday night he was acting out of character and not him self, so I didn't think much of it but Wednesday morning he wouldn't come out of the rocks to eat like he usually does with the other fish. At this point I was a little concerned but not too concerned.. So went to work that morning came back after a few hours and found him dead, when we pulled him out of the tank we could see white spots on his fins just some but over all he looked healthy.. We assumed it was just his time to go maybe and left it be. Thursday still all the fish were looking good and eating so again we thought nothing of the fancy bass dying. Friday morning right away we notice that the damsel is very cloudy and white spots all over him, at this point we immediately say ok after doing some research on our previous fish we think at this point it's flukes. So we go straight away to our LFS buy some PraziPro go home and put the recommended amount in the 22 gallon tank. After a few hours the damsel showed signs of improvement but only physical signs not behavioral signs, he wouldn't eat still and he hid in the rocks all day. That night he was laying on the sand bed.. We were very worried because now we just have no clue what to do.. So we get him out, put him in some fresh water and we're hoping to see something come off of him to at least find some guarantee that it was flukes. We did see something that looked like it was moving so we got a magnified glass and sure enough there was something but couldn't exactly tell what.. So we looked up a picture and basked on the flukes imagaine on the internet we decided it must be flukes, sadly though the damsel didn't make it and now there's four fish left. The next day both clowns have white dots all over them, they were black and white clowns so you could clearly see the dots. We put more PrazilPfo in the tank but not to much.. And that night we just didn't want to take the risk so we fresh water dipped them, right away again stuff starts to drop off them but we notice not all the spots. We left each in the water for ten minutes and put them back in the tank. Both at first were at the bottom of the tank but after a w minutes one started to swim around. They lived throughout the night but around 7 o'clock one is dead in the rocks, the other is swimming in front of the power head.. But after a maybe two hours he's at the bottom of the tank gasping for air so we take him out and at this point we know he's gonna die so we let him die out of the tank to put him out of his pain.. So now we just wait for the fire fish to show signs.. After two days still now signs, and they are both eating like crazy as usual, both look so healthy and happy. So we are still hopeful and waiting to see if both fire fish live but at this point in time we believe they will live. So in conclusion to all this our main question is what the heck do we do?.. We want to buy more fish for our 50, and 22 gallon and we've put quite a bit of medicine in both tanks, also again all the corals are doing good and the crabs and snails. So we think whatever it is, if it is flukes, is just attacking the fish. All in all we what someone's opinion as to what we may be doing wrong or also what we should be doing right. We love fish and we just want some to live long happy life's, but all through this so many have died and it's very heartbreaking.. Also if the fire fish do live my question is, is how come they lived out of the whole tank? And if we could possibly just add more fish to the 22 gallon within another two weeks if the fire fish live, but also what if they are hosts to the flukes and if we put more fish in there then they die. So basically my question boils down to, if the two fire fish live another two weeks can we go ahead and maybe buy two more fish?(if y'all believe that's even a good idea.) Could they possibly have an ammunity to flukes or are they just lucky enough because we put medicine in there just in time for them? And lastly we believe if all the fish that died in the 22 gallon died of flukes then we believe they got it from either the trigger or the coral beauty but I wanted to get an opinion on that too because we want to figure out how in the world the flukes got to the 22 gallon, based on we have moved nothing as in rocks and corals from the 50 to the 22. Maybe it's possible it might have traveled from the net we use also but anyway I'll get your opinion on that. Well I hope someone will give us your opinions and find a solution to our tank problems.

Thank You,
Josett Waid

P.S. Usually my father is the one who writes on here but this is his daughter so just wanted to put that out there for anyone that may have talked to him on this form before..
 
Hello Josett!
Sorry about your fish!:(

Let me see if I can get you some help #reefsquad
 
Hi there! I'm very sorry to hear about your losses. First, let me say that I'm very confident that your fish don't have flukes, but velvet. I'll be honest and say that I stopped reading about half way through, but I'm confident in that. In the future, when you have a sick fish it's not a good idea to move that fish into a tank that is otherwise healthy. It's like a child that has pink eye.... yuk.... we keep them away from the other kids right? Here is a link to fill in the blanks on velvet and how to treat. Please ask any questions you come up with! Oh and you'll need to get any and all fish you have left and put them in the QT for treatment. Leave all displays fallow for a minimum of 6 weeks or 76 days to be safe. Velvet (Amyloodinium ocellatum)
 
Oh wow well we never thought about velvet.. And I'll say I don't blam you I did type quite a bit but I just wanted to tell everything that happened so I could get a direct answer and I did so thank you! And ok so here is my question. Is there a velvet medication that is reef safe? I'm asking that because my corals are embedded in the rocks and the fire fish have a cave/home under one of those rocks with a bunch of corals on it so I'm worried about messing some of the corals up.. But if there isn't a reef safe velvet medication then I'll take the risk and get the fire fish out safely.
@melypr1985
 
The way you are moving the fish from tank to tank I can say for sure does not help them. It will only further add to their stress. Next time take a deep breath and try to find a solution to the issue. Try to medicate or something but don't try to do 10 things at once. Stick to one thing first and move to the second if it does not work
 
The way you are moving the fish from tank to tank I can say for sure does not help them. It will only further add to their stress. Next time take a deep breath and try to find a solution to the issue. Trying to medicate or something but don't trying to do 10 things at once. Stick to one thing first and move to the second if it does not work
Agreed, but when your losing hundreds of dollars of fish in hours puts you in panic mode.....
 
Hi there! I'm very sorry to hear about your losses. First, let me say that I'm very confident that your fish don't have flukes, but velvet. I'll be honest and say that I stopped reading about half way through, but I'm confident in that. In the future, when you have a sick fish it's not a good idea to move that fish into a tank that is otherwise healthy. It's like a child that has pink eye.... yuk.... we keep them away from the other kids right? Here is a link to fill in the blanks on velvet and how to treat. Please ask any questions you come up with! Oh and you'll need to get any and all fish you have left and put them in the QT for treatment. Leave all displays fallow for a minimum of 6 weeks or 76 days to be safe. Velvet (Amyloodinium ocellatum)
Thanks for helping my daughter!! The link is word for word what our fish were doing...
 
Agreed, but when your losing hundreds of dollars of fish in hours puts you in panic mode.....

I understand panic mode... it's a terrible by product of this hobby. In the future, when something is going wrong you should actively stop yourself from panicking since that can cause much worse issues than you were already facing. It takes practice and experience to really be able to do that, so don't worry. :)
 
Oh wow well we never thought about velvet.. And I'll say I don't blam you I did type quite a bit but I just wanted to tell everything that happened so I could get a direct answer and I did so thank you! And ok so here is my question. Is there a velvet medication that is reef safe? I'm asking that because my corals are embedded in the rocks and the fire fish have a cave/home under one of those rocks with a bunch of corals on it so I'm worried about messing some of the corals up.. But if there isn't a reef safe velvet medication then I'll take the risk and get the fire fish out safely.
@melypr1985

Unfortunately there isn't a reef safe method to treat velvet. It's a terrible parasite that acts quickly and can only be treated two ways. Chloroquine Phosphate or Copper. There are a few other meds that are helpful in defeating this parasite, but they won't cure it alone. Often copper needs these others to help it out as well. Chloroquine Phosphate needs to be prescribed by a vet and filled at a pharmacy. If you get a vet to write the scrip, there is a place online that you can get it filled at easily enough and it's verified pure for our purposes. These will require a QT as well. I can link you to how to set that up also, if you need it.
 
Yeah I looked at the link you sent with your message and we now know what we need to do so thank you again! Tomorrow we will go get some copper and move the fire fish and hopefully they both make it..
 
Yeah I looked at the link you sent with your message and we now know what we need to do so thank you again! Tomorrow we will go get some copper and move the fire fish and hopefully they both make it..
Good luck and good choice. Sorry for your loss
 
Yeah I looked at the link you sent with your message and we now know what we need to do so thank you again! Tomorrow we will go get some copper and move the fire fish and hopefully they both make it..

Good luck! Keep us posted :)
 
Good luck! Keep us posted :)
We will! If they survive tomorrow we will keep a close eye on them for the recommended QT time and if they are still alive till then, I will make sure I tell you first! Just hoping our two tanks can eventually have healthy fish in them..
 
Just hoping our two tanks can eventually have healthy fish in them..

Of course they can! Leaving them fallow for the 6 weeks - 76 days will allow the parasites to die out naturally. In the end you have a clean slate to start over with. From that point on, however, it would be a good idea to QT all new fish before introducing them to the tanks. That way you dont have to go through this again. ;)
 
Of course they can! Leaving them fallow for the 6 weeks - 76 days will allow the parasites to die out naturally. In the end you have a clean slate to start over with. From that point on, however, it would be a good idea to QT all new fish before introducing them to the tanks. That way you dont have to go through this again. ;)
Yeah we will definitely do that since now we know! And yes we will from now on be QT all our fish we buy before putting them in our tanks. But mostly yes we do not want to go through this EVER again..
 
Yeah we will definitely do that since now we know! And yes we will from now on be QT all our fish we buy before putting them in our tanks. But mostly yes we do not want to go through this EVER again..
So sorry you guys had to go through this! Good luck with the process of making it through the next few months!
 
I hate to say it but I know people think we're crazy for always recommending qt but you've found out why. That's typically 1 of the first questions I ask if someone has posted and not mentioned. Good luck and 76-78 days from now you will have no worries.
 
I'm fighting a bout of velvet myself on Vanderbilt chromis. Not sure if they are just tough fish or if the brand of copper I got is less harsh (I'm told by the LFS it is the latter). Look for Copper Power instead of Cupramine. It is supposedly in a form that is less toxic to fish and they aren't as stressed by the sudden jump in copper levels. I'm on day 3 of treatment with them and they all look and are eating great. I followed the advice in the linked thread exactly.
 

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