transferring fish question

[TheReefDiary]

I added my 2 clowns to my new tank on Monday it's a 40g (with 35 gal of actual water). I've had no ammonia build up. could I get away with adding my small (1in maybe less) six line to the tank? really want to get rid of the other tank (wife is starting to get annoyed).

 

[TheReefDiary]

I would also add more nitrifying bacteria along with the addition of the fish.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I added my 2 clowns to my new tank on Monday it's a 40g (with 35 gal of actual water). I've had no ammonia build up. could I get away with adding my small (1in maybe less) six line to the tank? really want to get rid of the other tank (wife is starting to get annoyed).

While you can, acclimate it to tank as if you just purchased it which i did 3 weeks ago with 37 fish

 

[TheReefDiary]

While you can, acclimate it to tank as if you just purchased it which i did 3 weeks ago with 37 fish

do a drip acclimation for it? my temp and salinity are exactly the same tested multiple times in the past few days. also the same salt mix. I threw the clowns straight in they were a bit stressed (I would be too), but they're good now. would it be different for the wrasse?

 

[vetteguy53081]

do a drip acclimation for it? my temp and salinity are exactly the same tested multiple times in the past few days. also the same salt mix. I threw the clowns straight in they were a bit stressed (I would be too), but they're good now. would it be different for the wrasse?

I added several quart cups from new tank t old then netted and dropped the fish in. I have large more delicate opposed to 6 line- if theyre the same, you should be ok

 

[brandon429]

Reefing doesn’t work that way, of course you can add more fish if your disease plan allows it such as if its a tank move


cycles do not set the bacteria load to the number of fish, thats made up online and not true, which is why you don’t add more bacteria.


real world examples: when people pull all fish for fallowing, hold three months, it doesn’t recycle when you add them back. Thats minus fish then plus fish after three months, cycle stays the same on seneye


second example of twenty available

my nano reef has never had fish in 17 years of running, it’s coral only. I could easily add fisn when wanted and it would carry fish fine. Cycling bacteria do not scale up or down to match bioload, thats made up in forums. It is absolutely not how bacteria in water work.

 

[TheReefDiary]

Reefing doesn’t work that way, of course you can add more fish if your disease plan allows it such as if its a tank move


cycles do not set the bacteria load to the number of fish, thats made up online and not true, which is why you don’t add more bacteria.


real world examples: when people pull all fish for fallowing, hold three months, it doesn’t recycle when you add them back. Thats minus fish then plus fish after three months, cycle stays the same on seneye


second example of twenty available

my nano reef has never had fish in 17 years of running, it’s coral only. I could easily add fisn when wanted and it would carry fish fine. Cycling bacteria do not scale up or down to match bioload, thats made up in forums. It is absolutely not how bacteria in water work.

thanks for the explanation. my only concern is obviously a buildup of ammonia. the fish are all in the same tank now. everyones good at the moment. will just watch ammonia and stay up on water changes.

 

[brandon429]

ammonia is only a concern when dealing in low surface area quarantine systems but not ever displays


displays have rock stacks that can instantly handle more bioload then they carry, always. Nobody’s reef display tank is overpowering their rock, it’s universally in control as long as the system isn’t losing circulation, power or heat


the only time a reef display treated normally will fail to control ammonia is if all fish die and are left in the tank to rot. Ammonia won’t rise initially to cause the fish kill, it’ll be disease or some other cause. Ammonia is simply not an issue in display tank reefing, this frees us up from unneeded bottle bac purchase and it allows us to replace ammonia concerns with disease preps from Jays forum or Humblefish’s site/ same thing.

 

[TheReefDiary]

ammonia is only a concern when dealing in low surface area quarantine systems but not ever displays


displays have rock stacks that can instantly handle more bioload then they carry, always. Nobody’s reef display tank is overpowering their rock, it’s universally in control as long as the system isn’t losing circulation, power or heat


the only time a reef display treated normally will fail to control ammonia is if all fish die and are left in the tank to rot. Ammonia won’t rise initially to cause the fish kill, it’ll be disease or some other cause. Ammonia is simply not an issue in display tank reefing, this frees us up from unneeded bottle bac purchase and it allows us to replace ammonia concerns with disease preps from Jays forum or Humblefish’s site/ same thing.

thanks again. will look into it. always appreciate learning new things.

 

[EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal]

thanks again. will look into it. always appreciate learning new things.

OMG, please don't follow any of that advice!!

You added 2 fish on Monday. Your plan to add one more now is fine, but not for the reasons brandon claims. If you feel more comfortable adding a capful of bacteria along with the fish, that's also fine (and what a lot of us do when starting new tanks with dry rock...)

Cycling bacteria do not scale up or down to match bioload, thats made up in forums. It is absolutely not how bacteria in water work

Actually, that's EXACTLY how this process works!!

 

[TheReefDiary]

OMG, please don't follow any of that advice!!

You added 2 fish on Monday. Your plan to add one more now is fine, but not for the reasons brandon claims. If you feel more comfortable adding a capful of bacteria along with the fish, that's also fine (and what a lot of us do when starting new tanks with dry rock...)


Actually, that's EXACTLY how this process works!!

well it's why I said I'll look into it. I never just take anything at face value. the fish are already together. my ammonia didn't build up at all during the past couple days. the fish are all very small less than 1.5 inches. I dosed nitrifying bacteria upon the addition of all fish. I also am dosing mb7 according to the bottle (not on the same days as adding the fish). I'm also dosing my live phyto for pods that I plan on adding this weekend.

I also have 10g of saltwater on hand for any water change needs which would be a 30% change pretty much.

 

[EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal]

well it's why I said I'll look into it. I never just take anything at face value. the fish are already together. my ammonia didn't build up at all during the past couple days. the fish are all very small less than 1.5 inches. I dosed nitrifying bacteria upon the addition of all fish. I also am dosing mb7 according to the bottle (not on the same days as adding the fish). I'm also dosing my live phyto for pods that I plan on adding this weekend.

I also have 10g of saltwater on hand for any water change needs which would be a 30% change pretty much.

Sounds like a solid plan!

 

[brandon429]

TRD

Check this out, this is two million bucks worth of other people’s reefs following updated cycling science

Official Sand Rinse and Tank Transfer thread

If you are reading this thread to cure a tank invasion from a link I sent you, we do not need to identify your type of invasion here we do not need you to test anything at anytime regarding nitrate, phosphate etc Above all, we do not need to see a microscope slide picture of your invasion at...

www.reef2reef.com

does that look like we use made up cycling science

- we reduce peoples rock stack in that thread to meet new aqua scape requests, while removing or rinsing all their sand. That’s 40%~ reductions in surface area and for fifty pages no crashing. They can add some new fish if they want…add, not just carry over current fish, the opposite of her warning is the truth.

we deal in reef displays there, and we never fear ammonia.

seneye spot checks are posted, they’re in spec for the few owners we had present. We invite any seneye owner to post on any aspect of updated cycling science for review.

we command everyone’s sandbed on this whole site without ever requesting an ammonia reading, for fifty pages, because we know what the limits of cycling are among reef tanks.



look how this thread went down, how does skepticism actually play out in these types of pounce threads? What’s the final outcome, happy or angry reef tank owners?

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/i-give-up.947713/

that mans reef is fixed in the way I said it would be fixed

anytime I’m posting on someone’s thread it’s an earnest offer to help and then we use those proofs in upcoming work threads.

 

[brandon429]

That's directly fifty pages of us doing fish transfers, not one entry isn't logged practice advising fish transfers among tanks. I approached your fish transfer advice with legit earnest will to help, based on our ongoing work directly in the matter.

 

[TheReefDiary]

That's directly fifty pages of us doing fish transfers, not one entry isn't logged practice advising fish transfers among tanks.

I'm not here to get into arguments with anyone. I'm glad to look into what you said. regardless I still have the plan in place God forbid anything is to go wrong and I have prime on hand. I don't believe you are wrong or she's right. end of the day just want the fish to be healthy.

 

[TheReefDiary]

Since trolls don't want the science in the post, I'll allow Erin to advise you here on out

didn't realize I was trolling or being offensive. thought I was being middle of the road considering it seems certain people on here have beef with one another. I'm just on here to learn and talk with people about reefing. I'm not here to choose sides in a debate or argument.

 

[Peace River]

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[KQuillan]

@TheReefDiary, I will be doing my second transfer soon. Personally, for me, I let the current tank cycle for about 30 days and then added new tank water to the bucket my fish were in to acclimate them before putting them in the new tank. It worked out fine and I'm getting ready to do it again soon so I am hoping for the same results. It is what I am comfortable doing as well.

 

[EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal]

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Thank you.

 

[A Young Reefer]

I think you will be just fine, but as @ktfloyd01 mentioned I usually let the tank cycle for 30 days before adding any fish. adding more bacteria isn't necessary but wont hurt.
People should take things with a grain of salt sometimes (excluding the tm turkish blend).
Happy reefing!