Trouble With Euphyllia!

[Dave1993]

I don't have a refractometer I just have the tropic marin hydrometer: https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/high-precision-hydrometer-tropic-marin.html

and a coral life hydrometer:

So i don't think there is any calibration to be done. The higher quality/more trustworthy source of truth is the tropic marin hydrometer which reads 1.025

if you find a fix please post it here cause this is exactly the same problem i had thrive for awhile then eventually just stay closed up and eventually bail out

 

[billyocean]

I don't trust the hydrometer..refractometer here. Turn all the flow in the tank off and see if the hammers puff up..if they do..the flow is probably too high for them.

 

[afrokobe]

Thank you for this information! I think they are aqua-cultured, I am local to San Diego and bought from Aqua SD(https://aquasd.com/). Which I think is a very reputable coral shop. (I believe they are also reputable on the forums here as well)

make sure your test water is at 77f or convert it using the chart and make sure your thermometer is accurate. The hydrometer is calibrated to 77f

 

[Lavey29]

How could I avoid this from happening? Is tank age the biggest issue?

I speculate that has a lot to do with it. You just don't have the biodiversity in a 3 month old tank. I went through similar struggles also with LPS when my tank was younger.

 

[Marcus Rogers]

I speculate that has a lot to do with it. You just don't have the biodiversity in a 3 month old tank. I went through similar struggles also with LPS when my tank was younger.

Dang okay I figured from reading other threads as well

This may be a very stupid question (still learning lol) but how do they setup reef shows like reefapalooza very quickly and have all their coral appear happy and healthy? I am assuming those tanks are new and also don't have much biodiversity

 

[Lavey29]

Dang okay I figured from reading other threads as well

This may be a very stupid question (still learning lol) but how do they setup reef shows like reefapalooza very quickly and have all their coral appear happy and healthy? I am assuming those tanks are new and also don't have much biodiversity

I'm sure very experienced reefers can put coral in on day one and get it to thrive. Probably always starting with live ocean rock too. For the vast majority of us novice reefers patience is key. The slower the better so the tank goes through its various phases maturing biodiversity. My tank is 100% better at one year then it was at 6 months. Everyone that sees it now says everything looks so much better with clear water and thriving corals. Even at one year my tank is still young and developing.

 

[afrokobe]

Dang okay I figured from reading other threads as well

This may be a very stupid question (still learning lol) but how do they setup reef shows like reefapalooza very quickly and have all their coral appear happy and healthy? I am assuming those tanks are new and also don't have much biodiversity

you could try something like IPSF to add additional biodiversity to your tank or like the poster above add in some live rock from somewhere like kpaquatics. I started my tank with the live sand activator package from ipsf and I've kept corals almost from day 1. I don't have very many issues with tank even though it was started with dry rock. I credit the success to the biodiversity I got from IPSF.

 

[DeniseAndy]

You can set up a reef in a day if you have good aged live rock. I do 100% water changes and sometimes even empty the tank and clean it out while everything sits in a bucket (large bucket) then put all back in.
Key is biodiversity and maturity.
Hammers and Frogspawn seem to always be a bit easier than torches for me, but the do well in my aged tanks. Could be some of the issue. I also would look at flow and light.
Do you have any other animals in there? Fish? Leathers (double checking other corals besides acans)?

 

[Dave1993]

I'm sure very experienced reefers can put coral in on day one and get it to thrive. Probably always starting with live ocean rock too. For the vast majority of us novice reefers patience is key. The slower the better so the tank goes through its various phases maturing biodiversity. My tank is 100% better at one year then it was at 6 months. Everyone that sees it now says everything looks so much better with clear water and thriving corals. Even at one year my tank is still young and developing.

you could try something like IPSF to add additional biodiversity to your tank or like the poster above add in some live rock from somewhere like kpaquatics. I started my tank with the live sand activator package from ipsf and I've kept corals almost from day 1. I don't have very many issues with tank even though it was started with dry rock. I credit the success to the biodiversity I got from IPSF.

I started my tank with live rock and i had this exact same thing happen to me corals thrive for a while then suddenly just never come out and eventually bail out

 

[Toob]

Dang okay I figured from reading other threads as well

This may be a very stupid question (still learning lol) but how do they setup reef shows like reefapalooza very quickly and have all their coral appear happy and healthy? I am assuming those tanks are new and also don't have much biodiversity

I don’t think this is a stupid question I think it’s an excellent one. I’d also roll my eyes at anyone saying you need to bump some water parameter up or down a tiny bit - the fact is that these corals thrive in a variety of water parameters and yours look fine to me. I have some Euphyllia in a very new tank and it’s doing great, the whole “tank not mature” enough thing is nonsense - as long as your parameters are reasonable and stable, I don’t know what “maturity” has to do with anything.

Anyway - I agree with the comments on lighting and flow. I have found that mail order corals don’t do so great with higher/whiter lighting. I had to turn my flow and lighting way down (and less white) to make new arrivals happy. I think this is a strong possibility especially if you have only one other type of coral and it’s fine - it’s probably more lighting/flow tolerant. My 2cents, good luck!

 

[Marcus Rogers]

You can set up a reef in a day if you have good aged live rock. I do 100% water changes and sometimes even empty the tank and clean it out while everything sits in a bucket (large bucket) then put all back in.
Key is biodiversity and maturity.
Hammers and Frogspawn seem to always be a bit easier than torches for me, but the do well in my aged tanks. Could be some of the issue. I also would look at flow and light.
Do you have any other animals in there? Fish? Leathers (double checking other corals besides acans)?

I only have 4 chromis and 1 firefish so far. As for corals I have the acans, a green pavona (which appears to be doing good, honestly not sure) and the euphyllia.

 

[Marcus Rogers]

I don’t think this is a stupid question I think it’s an excellent one. I’d also roll my eyes at anyone saying you need to bump some water parameter up or down a tiny bit - the fact is that these corals thrive in a variety of water parameters and yours look fine to me. I have some Euphyllia in a very new tank and it’s doing great, the whole “tank not mature” enough thing is nonsense - as long as your parameters are reasonable and stable, I don’t know what “maturity” has to do with anything.

Anyway - I agree with the comments on lighting and flow. I have found that mail order corals don’t do so great with higher/whiter lighting. I had to turn my flow and lighting way down (and less white) to make new arrivals happy. I think this is a strong possibility especially if you have only one other type of coral and it’s fine - it’s probably more lighting/flow tolerant. My 2cents, good luck!

Thank you for the response!

Lighting and flow was my guess but I have adjusted my flow so much varying it from 50% all the way to now off (my one mp40) and that has done nothing to the coral.

I also adjusted my lights in the same manner, I feel like i am running my lights on a lower intensity than most

 

[Lavey29]

Thank you for the response!

Lighting and flow was my guess but I have adjusted my flow so much varying it from 50% all the way to now off (my one mp40) and that has done nothing to the coral.

I also adjusted my lights in the same manner, I feel like i am running my lights on a lower intensity than most

I run my MP40s at 38% during the day down to 28% overnight for my mixed reef.

 

[CoralB]

My thought would be the fact that you zeroed out you pho’s and nitrates and now have dinos , and now your treating to raise those parameters . I would get rid of the Dino’s and get your parameters stable then your torch should come back .i could be wrong but it Doesn’t look like your tank is cycled enough and or hasn’t gone thru the ugly stage ( which might have just started ) good luck !!!

 

[Marcus Rogers]

I run my MP40s at 38% during the day down to 28% overnight for my mixed reef.

How big is your display and what are the dimensions?

 

[Lavey29]

How big is your display and what are the dimensions?

Little smaller then yours. 65g DT and 15g sump. 36 inches wide.

 

[Hawkaholic]

I run 2 radion pros Xr30 over a 120 gallon tank at 50% intensity -100% blues 75% whites. My euphyllia do well in it, might need to raise your intensity (over a period of time) and see if that helps.

 

[Marcus Rogers]

I run 2 radion pros Xr30 over a 120 gallon tank at 50% intensity -100% blues 75% whites. My euphyllia do well in it, might need to raise your intensity (over a period of time) and see if that helps.

I will try this! How deep is your tank?

 

[DeniseAndy]

I only have 4 chromis and 1 firefish so far. As for corals I have the acans, a green pavona (which appears to be doing good, honestly not sure) and the euphyllia.

Okay, so fish are not the issue and neither is any warfare from other corals. Good to know.
I do not run LEDs, so cannot help you with the light intensity and dialing it in.
I can say that my euphyllia grow like mad in a very medium/low floe tank in the heaver part of the flow and about 3/4 of the way up the tank (I run T5s). I feed the tank for the fish and also phyto (I grow it) and some Reef Cell and Coral food. This system also has lobo, "favia", acans, trumpets, platys. So, a lower flow, environment.
Sorry, no current pictures of the tank.

 

[DeniseAndy]

I just took a few quick shots of the 40g tank so you can see. It is a grow out tank, not a display. I also took some pictures of the other corals in the tank. You can see by the fluffiness the lower flow environment. you can also see the movement of the torch in the higher area of flow.