Using Nitrifying Bacteria- Your experience

I go off coralline mainly, once I see lr with coralline we stamp that as cycled since its not possible to have coralline in place without nitrifying bacteria

(I know some people in challenge say what about medication, yes, that would do it but it never applies. nobody on this site ever bought sterile live rock, it was live, and where goes real coralline goes other benthic verifiers to back up the coralline etc)

we're all about visually cycling tanks and not using testers there. And when we do test, its ammonia only, not ever nitrate nor nitrite because those don't factor in marine cycles, even with dry materials, for reasons listed.


we cover in our thread that adding ammonia to live rock doesn't ruin it, it can digest it. We stamp it as a sign of not understanding how cycling works though, and by extension how tank cleaning and invasion works.

we figure if people can't start off knowing when to add ammonia and when not to, then they're about 98% likely to lose the tank to an overall invasion at one point (its rare for people to tie in cycling habits to invasion receptivity, but that becomes apparent if we create and run both cycling and invasion threads where people's tanks will die from bad calls)

I’m lost.

Who’s the ‘we’?

Where’s the ‘here’?

What is this ‘invasion’ you keep mentioning?


>>“We test ammonia only, not ever nitrite or nitrate, since they don’t factor in to marine cycles”

Lol at this. OF COURSE NITRITE AND NITRATE FACTOR INTO THE MARINE CYCLE. It’s called the CYCLE literally in reference to the nitrogen cycle, which is the conversion of AMMONIA to NITRITE to NITRATE via the nitrifying action of distinct bacterial populations.
 
After tank cycling, I battled issues with high nitrates, had zero issues converting larg enough of a bacteria species that could convert nitrate to nitrogen. Bought enough Bio-spira for twice my tank volume, and seeded tank with that, after three days, my nitrates went from 180 ppm to 40 ppm, and I can now easily maintain 5-10 ppm nitrates in a controllable manner. Bio-spira was the only bottled bacteria that directly claims on the bottle that it contains a species that can convert nitrate to nitrogen that I was able to find. I have 170lb's dry rock in the display, 20 lb's of live rock in my refugium.

My new bottles of biospira have no such label. Are you sure they contain Denitrifying bacteria?

Because if it does, and it converts nitrates to N2 gas, I might wait it out and not do the nitrate reduction water changes
 
Agreed Skep, that’s primarily why we don’t use the params in my cycle works. Of course all three are going on in a cycle, we just use ammonia since knowing that indirectly measures the other two components. Nitrate is for algae tuning.


The threads posted are years of repeating works, not worth it to rehash here Neil

My links are there to help reefapprentice its ok if you disagree/ am open to consider all perspectives.


we, participants, back up claims in the threads by demonstrating cycles or making no cycle occur ...if you have any work threads showing a stance you investigated which is opposite, then the promise is there to give the effort/depth of prep to read them before commenting on your findings.

I only summarized the portion of the thread I thought might bring some zest out of ya heh

Find me a single cycle chart on google images where nitrite doesn't do what ammonia does at day forty, you’ll have my attention.
 
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I have always cycled a new tank with either MB7 or Biospira and live rock. I have yet to experience a true cycle, never had detectable ammonia using this method. I either use shrimp or ghost feed for a month before adding cuc and fish, 2 months no lights. Ime bottled bacteria does work to boost the cycle, greatly reducing the time needed to cycle.
 
My new bottles of biospira have no such label. Are you sure they contain Denitrifying bacteria?

Because if it does, and it converts nitrates to N2 gas, I might wait it out and not do the nitrate reduction water changes

Look at the Principal Ingredients, if it says Nitrosospira, that the bacteria that can do complete nitrification, Ammonia to Nitrogen.
 

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