Velvet treatment - alternative

[miyags]

And I read these threads on here that their fish are reinfected because they reintroduced their fish to soon.And have to start all over agin.

 

[Mariette]

Okay guys. I’ve done everything I can and goby’s not doing well. What would be better:

A - continue what I’m doing and he’ll proba die with a few days but, if he survives, he’ll be ok.

B - get him into his own little tank w sand and rocks to hide in so he’s more comfortable and NO meds. Just let him live out his life in peace. Remember- before copper, he was doing fine

 

[Mariette]

And I read these threads on here that their fish are reinfected because they reintroduced their fish to soon.And have to start all over agin.

I’m 95% sure it’s velevt but I’m can’t be 200%. Because Ich and Velvet have same treatment, just different fallow periods, after treatment, I’m keeping DT fallow for 3 mths (2 weeks more than needed for ich).

 

[ngoodermuth]

Considering the issue with his side/spine from your other post, I don’t think he will live long either way unfortunately

If you have the means to set him up with his own little tank and let whatever play out... just remember that you wouldn’t be able to add him back, or even cross-contaminate between tanks... because even if he does survive the velvet/ich, without treatment he could still be a carrier.

 

[Mariette]

Considering the issue with his side/spine from your other post, I don’t think he will live long either way unfortunately

If you have the means to set him up with his own little tank and let whatever play out... just remember that you wouldn’t be able to add him back, or even cross-contaminate between tanks... because even if he does survive the velvet/ich, without treatment he could still be a carrier.

Yeah. I think that’s what I’ll do. Poor guy.

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

Yeah. I think that’s what I’ll do. Poor guy.

I would put him in his own tank with a low copper level to keep velvet from completely taking over and if he gets his strength up in a few days you could start raising it.

 

[miyags]

Doesn't SeaChem say cuppramine is effective at .3? Maybe do a small water change to lower copper from .5

 

[Mariette]

Doesn't SeaChem say cuppramine is effective at .3? Maybe do a small water change to lower copper from .5

No. 0.5. Sorry. I’ve simehow gotten 2 threads Hong on the same subject. I must have messed up the 1st of 2 needed doses to bring copper up to 0.5. First dose got me to 0.4-0.5 which is a no no. So I did a water change and brought it down to 0.2. Added aeration.

Goby no longer hanging out at top. Yay. But he’s looking depressed. Just laying st bottom. Not much appetite.

 

[4FordFamily]

Most don't know the difference between Ich and velvet.Looking a pictures on goggle doesn't cut it.Seen same picture ID both.Usually velvet kills fish before they even start a treatment

True to the first piece, and it depends on the second. An established fish, particularly wrasse, gobies, and other fish with thick slime coats can live for quite a while in velvet. Velvet can also sit dormant for up to 30 days after a fish has been kept in sub therapeutic copper (common throughout the distribution system)

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

No. 0.5. Sorry. I’ve simehow gotten 2 threads Hong on the same subject. I must have messed up the 1st of 2 needed doses to bring copper up to 0.5. First dose got me to 0.4-0.5 which is a no no. So I did a water change and brought it down to 0.2. Added aeration.

Goby no longer hanging out at top. Yay. But he’s looking depressed. Just laying st bottom. Not much appetite.

That’s a start, hopefully he perks up and you can get him through this.

 

[Mariette]

True to the first piece, and it depends on the second. An established fish, particularly wrasse, gobies, and other fish with thick slime coats can live for quite a while in velvet. Velvet can also sit dormant for up to 30 days after a fish has been kept in sub therapeutic copper (common throughout the distribution system)

Well that’s just great.

 

[Mariette]

I would put him in his own tank with a low copper level to keep velvet from completely taking over and if he gets his strength up in a few days you could start raising it.

Hmm that sounds like a good plan...

 

[Sleepydoc]

Have you tried a fresh water dip? It won’t cure anything but can help lessen the parasitic load on the fish and give the copper a chance to start working.

 

[Mariette]

Have you tried a fresh water dip? It won’t cure anything but can help lessen the parasitic load on the fish and give the copper a chance to start working.

No. I’m afraid he won’t survive the stress of a dip. It’s important to note that he wasn’t showing symptoms but is being treated because there was a velvet outbreak. He was fine until 4 hrs after 1st dose of copper. I’m sure the Velvet isn’t helping but I believe his issue is mainly with the copper. No?

 

[ngoodermuth]

I think his issue might be more related to the bulge/spinal injury discussed in the other thread, than the copper

I know he freaked out directly after the copper was added, and the high dose was likely cause to his initial reaction- but he already had something going on... which might just be catching up with him now.

 

[Mariette]

Nope.

Ammonia ? are all fish in QT?.Leave Main tank fishless for 76days.

And yeah. Definitely 76 days in case it’s ich

 

[Mariette]

^great advice above
Only want to add that with gill damage a supportive med to try is a 30 minute bath in methylene blue. Does 3 things, first will increases hemoglobin, next is antiseptic so will help if there is a secondary infection, lastly has slight antiparasitic properties(wont cure it but wont hurt if this bath is done during parasite treatment).

Is also rather gentle on fish.

Use a container you dont mind ruining as it will dye it blue.

Unfortunately, a ton of wonderful medications have been banned where I’m from (Ontario) as of January

 

[Mariette]

Update: last night, I pulled goby from copper treatment and put him in his own little tank w crushed coral substrate, a heater, a HOB filter, and air stone, and a little cave to hide in so he’d be more comfortable w popper at 0.1. He’s now either dead or very close to it. Nothing else I can do for him. I’m going to avoid checking if he’s dead or alive u too later. In case he’s still alive. I don’t want to stress him. Thanks for all your help. Can’t say we didn’t try

 

[Mariette]

I can’t get my hands on the Hannah copper test!!! I’ve called everywhere within a 45 min drive. All I’ve got is this horrible Seachem test. Is it just me or does this thing seriously suck?!?

So: Question. What would u say the top test is at? 0.4? 0.5? The bottom one, w red dot, is the test copper the kit came with. That’s supposedly at 0.5. Do they both look the same?!? I don’t understand how that’s possible, I’ve dosed WAAAY less than instructed. I shouldn’t be at 0.5 at all. Even 0.4 is a stretch. Ugh!!!

 

[ParkPlace]

Ruby Reef has a product for Velvet that has worked for me twice now. I keep a large bottle of it on hand at all times now!