Vibrant update ?

[Laurie1993]

Hi guys I recently got some vibrant as I’d seen some good things about it and had a cyano outbreak that I couldn’t get rid of, anyway I came across the reef 2 reef thread about it and couldn’t believe it, does anybody know if it’s been sorted or shall I bin it haha ? Many thanks guys, p.s I have softies only tank.

 

[MichaelReefer]

Pretty sure they shut the thread down. Not sure anything came of it.

 

[revhtree Verified Admin]

There was nothing more to update and we haven't heard anything more. We will open the thread again if there is something new to discuss. Thanks.

 

[((FORDTECH))]

There was nothing more to update and we haven't heard anything more. We will open the thread again if there is something new to discuss. Thanks.

The problem with shutting down threads like this is they never pop back up for people to read if no one can post to it then they disappear……,

 

[((FORDTECH))]

Maybe there should be a shut down thread thread

 

[MnFish1]

According to the EPA website - searching using their tool - it states that in the zip code listed, there are no 'current violations'. Whatever that means I'm not sure. It is still available for sale on several websites. The website of its creator has not changed that I can see.

 

[LeftyReefer]

Just use Vibrant how you would use API Algaefix, since they are the same product essentially.

No need to bin it, but just know that it's an algaecide and use it accordingly, if at all.

UWC has yet to respond to any of this publicly.

 

[Cell]

Still looks like R2R is an affiliate on UWC's website front page.

 

[revhtree Verified Admin]

Still looks like R2R is an affiliate on UWC's website front page.

Not sure what companies display our logos but we are not an affiliate and UWC is currently not a sponsor. Thank you.

 

[MnFish1]

For those interested - again - not totally able to interpret this - but there do not appear to be any violations noted in the last 5 years (and the site was last updated 5/19/2022)

Detailed Facility Report | ECHO | US EPA

echo.epa.gov

And this: https://ofmpub.epa.gov/frs_public2/fii_query_dtl.disp_program_facility?p_registry_id=110071256904

@Randy Holmes-Farley

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Here’s what I posted today to the thread where the ingredients were analyzed, and where it was expected thst UWC was going to post their own analysis months ago.

Not opening the thread for discussion since there is no news, but just noting for folks that the epa inspection was 139 days ago. No word from UWC.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

For those interested - again - not totally able to interpret this - but there do not appear to be any violations noted in the last 5 years (and the site was last updated 5/19/2022)

Detailed Facility Report | ECHO | US EPA

echo.epa.gov

And this: https://ofmpub.epa.gov/frs_public2/fii_query_dtl.disp_program_facility?p_registry_id=110071256904

@Randy Holmes-Farley

I am not familiar with these sorts of reports, but if it is interpreted that in May 2022 UWC became listed as a pesticide producer, that is extraordinarily noteworthy.

 

[shwareefer]

It says in the Evirofacts report that the data source is API. That pretty much seals it. If I had to guess I would say UWC never hid the fact they were using API's product in their bottles from any government agencies - just their customers.

 

[JimWelsh]

It says in the Evirofacts report that the data source is API. That pretty much seals it. If I had to guess I would say UWC never hid the fact they were using API's product in their bottles from any government agencies - just their customers.

That "API" probably means this, instead of the aquarium products company: https://www.epa.gov/enviro/envirofacts-data-service-api

 

[shwareefer]

That "API" probably means this, instead of the aquarium products company: https://www.epa.gov/enviro/envirofacts-data-service-api

boo.

 

[Soilworker]

For someone out of the loop, what was the issue\discussion around Vibrant? Or if there is a link to the thread...

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

For someone out of the loop, what was the issue\discussion around Vibrant? Or if there is a link to the thread...

Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

It does not appear to be what UWC claims. Data clearly suggest it is an algaecide identical to Algaefix (see thread below) IMO, this as a very serious breach of trust from a company that has insisted it is not an algaecide. It is also a clear breach of the Reef2Reef terms of service (about...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Sean Clark]

Well, I appreciate any kind of updates. Something more conclusive would have been ideal. Caveat emptor.

 

[MnFish1]

I am not familiar with these sorts of reports, but if it is interpreted that in May 2022 UWC became listed as a pesticide producer, that is extraordinarily noteworthy.

Yes - that's why I posted it - but - also realize that a bacterial product would also be considered a pesticide. Again not igniting the debate just a comment that apparently no violations were found by the EPA in May 2022 according to my layman's interpretation.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Yes - that's why I posted it - but - also realize that a bacterial product would also be considered a pesticide. Again not igniting the debate just a comment that apparently no violations were found by the EPA in May 2022 according to my layman's interpretation.

Why do you think bacteria are regulated as pesticides?