Vibrant? Waste-Away? Chrysophytes

[BriansBrain]

I had chrysophytes and they were being caused by high phosphates. What are your numbers? Did you confirm what they were under a scope?

I do not have a microscope. My nitrates however are 0.03 (Hanna phosphate ULR). Idk if they are low from being consumed by the algae/bacteria. They could in theory be high but idk because of rapid consumption

 

[BriansBrain]

I do not have a microscope. My nitrates however are 0.03 (Hanna phosphate ULR). Idk if they are low from being consumed by the algae/bacteria. They could in theory be high but idk because of rapid consumption

PO4** not nitrate

 

[Huskymaniac]

PO4** not nitrate

You can always scrub the rock and carbon dose the tank. Not sure if you dealt with dino's before but that would be my only concern from.carbon dosing.

 

[John08007]

Looks like chryso to me. I had them and after about 6 weeks of vibrant, 1ml/gal 1x per week, eventually knocked them out. Vibrant also knocked out some gha i had. Now im dealing with a small dino outbreak.

 

[BriansBrain]

This, I think low nitrates is a huge part of the equation here in this particular algae out competing everything.

Curious on your thought of manually dosing nitrate and adding beneficial bacteria like One and Only to help out compete

 

[kevin_e]

20 on nitrates a .1 on phosphates. Brought phosphates down to .02 and nitrates to 5 and they went away. I have a feeling they are not chrysophytes.

What you had or him? From everything I have read these guys love low nutrients and elevated nutrients allows other algae to easily out compete them.

 

[kevin_e]

You can always scrub the rock and carbon dose the tank. Not sure if you dealt with dino's before but that would be my only concern from.carbon dosing.

Dont think carbon dosing is what you want to do here. Dropping nutrients will not help if it is golden algae.

 

[Huskymaniac]

What you had or him? From everything I have read these guys love low nutrients and elevated nutrients allows other algae to easily out compete them.

There are different variations of chrysophytes but they also seem to thrive off siliciates which tend go in hand with nutrients. I got them after raising nutrients to get rid of Dino's.

 

[Pdash]

Curious on your thought of manually dosing nitrate and adding beneficial bacteria like One and Only to help out compete

I'd assume other algae like green film or coraline etc will ultimately out compete it, not bacterial additives. The bacteria may or may not get your there sooner. Idk

 

[kevin_e]

There are different variations of chrysophytes but they also seem to thrive off siliciates which tend go in hand with nutrients. I got them after raising nutrients to get rid of Dino's.

Gotcha. Well in this case, his nutrients are low (0 nitrate). So which ever strain it is that trives in low nutrient environments, I'd assume that's what he has. He's already bottomed out on nitrates. Bring those up to 3-5 and I bet they fade away.

 

[Huskymaniac]

Gotcha. Well in this case, his nutrients are low (0 nitrate). So which ever strain it is that trives in low nutrient environments, I'd assume that's what he has. He's already bottomed out on nitrates. Bring those up to 3-5 and I bet they fade away.

Or maybe they are not chrysophytes and dosing stuff is just adding fuel to the fire. Need a scope to confirm what they are. My chryso's looked like Dino's and the more I increased nutrients the worse they got.

 

[BriansBrain]

Dont think carbon dosing is what you want to do here. Dropping nutrients will not help if it is golden algae.

Yea, from testing, I don’t have any nutrients. 0 no3 0.03 po4. Unless like I stated earlier the nutrients are being rapidly consumed.

 

[Huskymaniac]

Yea, from testing, I don’t have any nutrients. 0 no3 0.03 po4. Unless like I stated earlier the nutrients are being rapidly consumed.

If you do get a scope this is what they will look like.

 

[BriansBrain]

Or maybe they are not chrysophytes and dosing stuff is just adding fuel to the fire. Need a scope to confirm what they are. My chryso's looked like Dino's and the more I increased nutrients the worse they got.

I know i can’t make a determination on what it is exactly because I don’t have a scope, different strains, and I’m no biologist, just a geologist I’m just going off other examples that had the same similarities as mine. Also mine has a much thinner complexity with feathery structure, and no trapped bubbles.

 

[Huskymaniac]

I know i can’t make a determination on what it is exactly because I don’t have a scope, different strains, and I’m no biologist, just a geologist I’m just going off other examples that had the same similarities as mine. Also mine has a much thinner complexity with feathery structure, and no trapped bubbles.

How old is your tank and what kind of.rock.did you use? Is at all base rock or did you use real live rock from the ocean?

 

[BriansBrain]

How old is your tank and what kind of.rock.did you use? Is at all base rock or did you use real live rock from the ocean?

I used all rock from my last tank (taken down 5 years ago) that I did a comprehensive bleach cure on for this build. New sand mix of that Carib sea live and Carib sea dry. This new tank is about 5 months

 

[Huskymaniac]

I used all rock from my last tank (taken down 5 years ago) that I did a comprehensive bleach cure on for this build. New sand mix of that Carib sea live and Carib sea dry. This new tank is about 5 months

Personally I think even though your nutrients are 0 its because the chryso's are just sucking everything out. I literally just went through this and was about to shock my tank like a pool. I added 20lbs of fresh rock from gulf live rock and carbon dosed the tank and they vanished. I was also sticking them out during water changes.

 

[kevin_e]

Yea, from testing, I don’t have any nutrients. 0 no3 0.03 po4. Unless like I stated earlier the nutrients are being rapidly consumed.

Yeah, I don't thi k the latter is the case. I assumed that for over a year. Raised nitrate and it went away in a week. Hasn't been back.

 

[jeffberens]

I had a lot of success with bringing down nutrients with a little less feeding and more frequent water changes, but the big impact to help was 3 urchins. I bought 2 pincushion and a long spine urchin and they did a number on the chrysophytes

 

[taricha]

The algae posted is fibrous / filamentous rather than blobby gel. Chrysophytes is a pretty unusual pest, without a microscope and matching all the visible cues I would not say that's what we're looking at here.

Or maybe they are not chrysophytes and dosing stuff is just adding fuel to the fire. Need a scope to confirm what they are. My chryso's looked like Dino's and the more I increased nutrients the worse they got.

basically this.