Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

[Lyss]

It kinda bothers me that so many are just like, *shrug* if it works who cares what’s in it.

I mean in advertising often the assignment is to take a boring product and make it seem like something you need to have, and that’s advertising, it’s creative. But accomplishing that by falsifying what it’s made of is not just bad behavior, it’s illegal. Like I said before there are state and local laws in place to protect consumers from being hoodwinked into spending money on stuff they wouldn’t have otherwise. And the fact that there are a number of reports of ppl nuking their tanks w/it just makes it even worse. You wanna know what you’re putting in, not just blindly follow a manufacturer label instructions.

 

[MnFish1]

One possibly incorrect on the BRS video is that there is a marine 'algaefix'. In fact BRS sells it. Perhaps I misunderstood what was said on the video?

@Bulk Reef Supply

 

[Lyss]

One possibly incorrect on the BRS video is that there is a marine 'algaefix'. In fact BRS sells it. Perhaps I misunderstood what was said on the video?

@Bulk Reef Supply

You’re right, there is: https://www.chewy.com/api-marine-al...JM0AQGiv-ROOtaH4ITeP4ZHWBPefboewaAp-EEALw_wcB

 

[dvgyfresh]

As Duffer posted - this is the new video:

Isn’t there an api algae fix for marine ?

 

[Potatohead]

Hold the front door...

Do you mean to tell me a FOR PROFIT business recognizes trends, jumps on those trends, helps market and then sell those products???

I'm floored. Earth shattered type stuff. Not sure what's up and what's down.

I bet you'll tell me my recycled Nike shoes aren't actually made to help save the environment??? No no no. Don't tell me actually. I'm still picking myself up off the floor from earlier

It's obvious to me, hence why I posted and remember the products. It's not obvious to a lot of people, mainly new reefers.

Remember that this is a business that used to pride itself on not only carrying limited products, but also products that they had extensively tested and made sure that product fit the mould the company wanted to portray. Not so much anymore.

 

[Duffer]

Ryan has since edited to say “ there is a marin algaefix”…

 

[blaxsun]

If BRS has temporarily suspended sales, it's probably with the anticipation that any Vibrant they sell is just going to be returned to them in short order. So from a logistics standpoint, not selling it is probably the lesser of two evils. But the fact that BRS has actually suspended sales and posted a video explanation means they're not just glossing over this and maybe there's something to this.

 

[rtparty]

It's obvious to me, hence why I posted and remember the products. It's not obvious to a lot of people, mainly new reefers.

Remember that this is a business that used to pride itself on not only carrying limited products, but also products that they had extensively tested and made sure that product fit the mould the company wanted to portray. Not so much anymore.

They still test a ton of products before deciding to carry them. Not every single one but quite a few. Some companies tend to put out quality items every time they release something. No reason to extensively test some of that stuff

 

[GARRIGA]

This is interesting in that he did see some success and also noticed some issues although clueless at the time to what was actually in the bottle and just going off the ingredients as most would have.

Of particular interest was the required removal of GFO as it was hampering the effectiveness. Seems to confirm an approach one might want to use to remove any remnants of the product from the tank or for those seeking relief now to reduce its effect quickly.

 

[Brian_68]

AcroPower and many other reef additives and "cures" don't list ingredients either yet many dump them into their tanks as well. Vibrant is not the first, and not the first to make questionable claims either.

 

[Malcontent]

AcroPower and many other reef additives and "cures" don't list ingredients either yet many dump them into their tanks as well. Vibrant is not the first, and not the first to make questionable claims either.

Maybe they don't contain any hazardous chemicals?

 

[Eric R.]

Haven't had time to research all this info, just saw a FB warning post.

A week ago, we dosed Vibrant in a 20 gallon AIO, within the first hour, firefish was dead. I recognized that there was a problem, and started some emergency cleaning on the protein skimmer, because it wasn't working very efficient. Put a airstone in the water... I figured we had a O2 problem.

Within the next hour, juvenile Emperor angel and a bicolor angel were dead.

I figured it was just a oxygen depletion issue, because a month ago Vibrant got dosed in a different 20AIO and flame angel became lathargic... I caught that fish and placed it in another tank and it was fine within a minute.

This stuff seems to be really bad news.

I just have to say that this is highly anecdotal. I'm not trying to defend UWC or Vibrant, though I think it a company wants to honestly market an algecide and users are fully informed, there isn't an issue. Lying and false marketing is 100% not okay in my book, especially when it's fairly likely had real world negative consequences and killed things.

That being said, I'm not sure it's reasonable to say that a possible algecide dosed properly according to instructions would kill fish within an hour. With what we seem to know, it seems to be able to harm invertebrates, clams, or potentially coral if dosed at sufficient quantities over time within certain conditions. But I'm skeptical that something else wasn't responsible for those fish deaths. The flame angel could be a different issue, hard to say.

I do think we (meaning reefers in the hobby) should be cautious of attributing all bad things that have happened to fish and corals automatically to Vibrant just because they occurred when Vibrant was being dosed. I'm seeing that happen, some with reasonable evidence to support the claim, but lots of statements that don't seem to be reasonably supportable by the evidence provided. Not saying those claims aren't true, but just that they really deserve additional evidence to support them.

My 3 cents.

 

[Brian_68]

Maybe they don't contain any hazardous chemicals?

I would not drink any of them or splash in my eyes to find out. Not defending Vibrant but you see it everywhere in this hobby, no ingredients and questionable claims.

 

[elysics]

Could this be a flatworm type of situation? Where a particular algae or some other organism is killed by the chemical and releases something in their death throes, and the difference between tanks where everything is well and those that have massive problems might be whether those particular organisms are present or not?

 

[Malcontent]

I would not drink any of them or splash in my eyes to find out. Not defending Vibrant but you see it everywhere in this hobby, no ingredients and questionable claims.

Well, SDSes are required by law and only hazardous ingredients have to be listed. If they're not hazardous then they don't have to list them.

 

[ingchr1]

...If their labeling is incorrect - It should be corrected. I've read the responses that UWC has made. Some seem inconsistent - but one I agree with - is that the majority of products we use - and pay exorbitant prices for - do not have ingredients listed - and are certainly not proven. Take Chemiclean for example. You can read that story on multiple forums here...

Got me interested to look into Chemiclean. Per the SDS it's a trade secret, proprietary salt. The packaging only list somethings that it does not contain. At least the name has Chemi in it, giving the impression you are adding chemicals to the tank.

Had a LFS sell it to me a while back, I was too concerned with some of the bad and never used it. Same with Vibrant, I only used it sparingly for a brief period then stopped. Didn't really notice anything positive or negative.

 

[jeffww]

Chemiclean is banned for sale in europe as it is unlabeled erythromycin.

 

[DivingTheWorld]

what the heck it's just a residential home...

 

[Brian_68]

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[jeffww]

Nmr coupled by ftir is a full chemical analysis. It is a description of the exact bonding in the material and suggestive of the elemental composition.