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I hope not. Man, if my tank gets wiped out, I’m done. You’ll see my equipment in the For Sale section. I’ll stick with my other hobbies: Classic cars, motorcycles, ATV’s and pinball. Saltwater isn’t for me. I would hate to go. Really enjoy my tank. This hobby has gotten me in over my head. I’ve never had more animal deaths until saltwater. I’ve had a few cats and dogs . Currently we have a cat, bearded dragon and a Sun Conure .
 
I hear everyone and appreciate everyone’s opinion. I see no joy in quarantining when there’s no quarantee they will make it through and not only that but poisoning them with all these chemicals when you really don’t know if or what they have.
 
I hope not. Man, if my tank gets wiped out, I’m done. You’ll see my equipment in the For Sale section. I’ll stick with my other hobbies: Classic cars, motorcycles, ATV’s and pinball. Saltwater isn’t for me. I would hate to go. Really enjoy my tank. This hobby has gotten me in over my head. I’ve never had more animal deaths until saltwater. I’ve had a few cats and dogs . Currently we have a cat, bearded dragon and a Sun Conure .
I feel your pain. I set up my dt and just I'd get some fish and it'd all be hunky dory. Little did I know that disease and infections and parasites are just crazy outta control in saltwater Hobby. I don't live near a lfs but I have a petco near me. I learned my lesson the hard way when my fish just died one after another. So what I did was set up 2 10 gal qt. Both tanks have separate everything: heaters, air pump with airstones, sponge filters, and pvc pipes, hob filters and buckets for water changes and mixing. Then I ordered meds to have on hand and copper power, Hannah checker, biospira, ammonia alert badge and syringes. Then I follow @HotRocks protocall. The only things I do different is I start off with lower copper like .50 for a day or so and raise is slowly over a few days, unless things take a turn. It gets pricy but at least now I have healthy fish and don't have to worry about disease in the long run. I also quarantine all inverts, corals, anenome, etc. You can find all the info you need by reading the stickies on the disease forum about qting. It's hard, really hard but it's working for me and at least my fish have stopped dying. I could really kick myself in the butt for the fish that I killed not knowing about all the diseases that are present and hwo to stop them from spreading and cure the fish. But if you really wanna keep going with the saltwater Hobby, know that there are some pretty awesome folks here that are willing to take the time outta their lives to help anyway they can, and that you're not alone. We're all going through this at some point and time. Don't let some mishaps and mistakes get to ya, it happens to the best of us I promise. And don't be afraid to ask questions bc knowledge is power. It seems grim now but maybe just take a step back and clear your head, read some of the recommendations for qt protocall on here, devise a plan, get the supplies you need, and take another chance if that's what you want. I hope this helps some. I just wanted to let ya know, like myself, some of us have been there, and we feel your pain! Best of luck to ya!
 
The other elephant in the room is that these fish are very rarely kept successfully with or without quarantine. Expert only means just that and your LFS should have stressed that there was probably very little chance of survival. I have been in the hobby over thirty years yet there are many fish that I would not even attempt to keep because they are not likely to survive long term. As beautiful and tempting as it may be to keep them they often require very specific environments and diet. I would say that this hobby can be extremely rewarding sticking with easy to keep fish. Also, for what it's worth, (and knock on glass) I do not quarantine and in all those years have never had ick or velvet.
 
This has nothing to do with saltwater being difficult. It sucks, but its really the result of purchasing a fish without much knowledge.

You can't just jump into this hobby willy nilly, you have to research and take things slow.

The idol is a very difficult fish to keep, you should have never bought it and the lfs shouldn't have sold you it.
 
What are you talking about. Saltwater is not difficult. I’ve had freshwater and it was much more easier and less expensive with equipment. Cichlids can pretty much live in brackish water. I don’t think most LFS care how experienced you are or how long you been in the hobby. There in the business to sell fish, equipment and make money. LFS aren’t run by hobbiest who care.
 
What are you talking about. Saltwater is not difficult. I’ve had freshwater and it was much more easier and less expensive with equipment. Cichlids can pretty much live in brackish water. I don’t think most LFS care how experienced you are or how long you been in the hobby. There in the business to sell fish, equipment and make money. LFS aren’t run by hobbiest who care.

Exactly, Lfs’ will sell everything and anything no questions asked and that’s how they stay in business.
 
That's my point about lfs.

And there's plenty of saltwater animals that can take abuse as well. Plenty of animals will survive having crappy owners, that doesn't justify it.
 
Hobby is not for everyone.
It takes some research and knowledge to do it right and not just throw away money or kill these animals.
Reading some of your replies the hobby probably is not for you but you have to decide that.
Research will be necessary if you do decide to stay.
I am not a expert on diseases either even though I have been in the hobby 30 + years.
I still have to get help from others on some stuff or research.
Same with researching the fish you keep. Again 30 + years in the hobby and still pull out my phone in a store to research a fish.
Takes a few minutes. Might have all been avoided not buying the moorish Idol all together and instead buying more hardy fish.

The hobby is for sure harder than freshwater but it is not that hard either with some research and preparation.

Fish die in quarantine and that is true but they may have died in the main tank too.
The difference is if the fish has a disease you can treat it in quarantine where you cant in a main tank.
Also you do not risk all your fish or stress the animal more trying to catch it for quarantine..
 
So now some of us are crappy owners and your so experienced. You’ve been on here for four months.
 
I don’t deny I should have never gotten an Idol.
 
It can be just as easy or easier then some freshwater setups though.

Its really as easy or as hard as you make it.

My reef is way easier than my attempt at discus.
 
What are you talking about. Saltwater is not difficult. I’ve had freshwater and it was much more easier and less expensive with equipment. Cichlids can pretty much live in brackish water. I don’t think most LFS care how experienced you are or how long you been in the hobby. There in the business to sell fish, equipment and make money. LFS aren’t run by hobbiest who care.

LOL I think we have our answer
 
So now some of us are crappy owners and your so experienced. You’ve been on here for four months.
When you try to justify how easy certain fish are because they can take abuse... Yes that's a crappy pet owner.
 
Lets reign it back no personal attacks will be tolerated here. These are a direct violation of the TOS.

This thread will be locked if we cannot all be constructive.
 
Who says I’m close minded? I didn’t ask for your opinion. If you have a problem with me not quarantining don’t respond to my thread. It only takes one. I work a lot of hours. Actually I don’t need to explain myself to you. No, I didn’t buy this fish from a LFS who had sick fish in his tanks.

Didnt mean to come off as rude I just read in your original post that you saw two idols in the lfs that looked how yours looked now but still bought one. Just kinda shocked me and I wanted to let you know not to buy any fish if you see fish looking that sick. Especially if you won’t try quarantining. Didn’t realize I came off as harsh
 
I don't think anyone meant anything as a personal attack. I sure didnt.

But OPs attitude sure does lend a clue as to why he's struggling with the hobby.

You can't just fill a box with water, throw whatever in and expect it to work out.
 
I didn’t buy one that looked sick. This one was eating and swimming. It was there for a few days. The other two were at another LFS and obviously had something and I passed. I should have never gotten one. I got caught up in the moment. I knew it was an expert fish and I went against my better judgement. Probably put a bomb in my tank buying that.
 
I didn’t buy one that looked sick. This one was eating and swimming. It was there for a few days. The other two were at another LFS and obviously had something and I passed. I should have never gotten one. I got caught up in the moment. I knew it was an expert fish and I went against my better judgement. Probably put a bomb in my tank buying that.
Something that most of us have done more times than we would like to admit. IMO, patience and reason are the most important attributes of a "successful" reefer
 
Some keys to starting with a moorish idol (based on research and personal experience):

Research the dietary needs of the fish and be prepared with what is needed

These fish require nori and sponge. Have different colors of nori; purple or green, on hand and feed both, your idol is a picky fish and may only eat one and not the other. (Mine will touch green but loves purple.) Foods such as Ocean Nutrition Angel formula frozen cubes contain sponge. Their food should be enriched by adding vitamins such as Selcon.

Buy a healthy specimen which is already eating while at the store

This is important with all fish but even more so with the idol. Out of dozens of local fish stores that I have visited around the bay area there is only one location; Aquatic Collection in Hayward, CA, that actually carries the Moorish Idol on a somewhat regular basis and they seem to know how to care for them while in their care. They should appear parasite free so that means no spots and no scratching against decorations. Always ask for the staff to feed the tank and watch for the fish's feeding response. DO NOT BUY IF THE FISH ISNT EATING. A healthy individual will have a streamer growing from its dorsal fin. Conversely, an exposed spine from the dorsal fin may reveal a fish that is not having its nutritional needs met and should be avoided. Once these fish go downhill, they do not seem to be able to rebound

Add to an established reef system

I've not had success adding this fish straight to QT so I do this first instead. This seems to make sense as the idol is not a fish that adjusts well to aquarium life. In adding to an environment that has micro fauna, sponge and algae growing on live rocks and sand; allows the fish to adjust better to life in your future care rather than a sterile looking world of bare bottom tanks and white PVC pipes. I've kept two idols in a mature "acclimation reef tank" for a month or more with the goal of then transferring to a sterile QT. (I lost one idol after a return pump wasnt turned back on, was in this acclimation tank for nearly 6 months)

Absolutely must QT and treat with Copper and Prazipro for long term success

My "success" with the idol is something I've worked hard (and smart) on for a few years now. I have 1 in my 220 gallon main display for the past 3 months (I know this is a limited time) and it seems to be thriving along with 6 tangs. Tangs, as you may know are a cousin of sorts to the idol in the fish world, that should also be treated with copper and other meds like prazipro to eliminate pesky parasites.

I've successfully treated other fish with a therapeutic level (0.5mg/l) of Cupramine and the same should be done for the idol for 30 days. Regardless of symptoms of parasitic infection, I suggest you do the same, and include Prazipro in your QT treatment as well. I highly recommend you have a Hanna instruments copper checker to ensure that copper doesnt dip below the minimum therapeutic level of 0.35mg/l.

Note: Ionic and chelated copper treatments differ on dosage. Be sure to do your research and make sure your fish is not overly sensitive to a certain copper treatment before use.

I've lost 3 of these fish trying to QT them directly from the store but now have one beautiful, happy, slightly fat idol swimming around my little piece of the reef. The above points made this a reality and I fully expect to have this Moorish Idol for years to come.

It has always been my favorite marine fish and I wasnt going to let failure get the best of me. Learn, get better and try again. Success is rewarding and keeping this fish is one heck of a prize. But please, if you are not willing to prepare and adapt, do not attempt this EXPERT LEVEL FISH.
 
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