What is this?

[saltyfilmfolks]

Will it pull the trace elements as well? I figure it will pull some but idk how much cuz I dont want those pulled

Define trace elements.

And yes, folks with a million dollars in reactors and food products are pulling stuff out too.

So ya have to ask yourself , what exactly are they selling me. And why are they selling it.

Oh.....they seem to be selling a lot of things.

I'm off the balling salts now. Check that site out. All the stuff you need and have to have. Nothing on what and why. Or what 1ml in one gal of water will raise it what dkh.
Ie , balling is alk mag and cal. Just fancy selling.

As long as you have availability to things in the reef and you are putting in what your taking out, you're fine.

I use food and salt mixes. Same thing , less fancy selling.
Also my thought on your prob is a sligh OD on a Particular organic or inorganic the organism really likes.
Just like vodka for cyano.

 

[Anirban]

My guess will be dino. I had that in my tank. Whenever my nutrient level is low I get that. Generally it goes off with peroxide but getting back the nutrient balance help on a long term.

 

[reeferfoxx]

Sorry this is happening @Evan West . I dont know how a dosing method got in the mix for beginner sps success but this isnt a good route unless you understand what is happening. I good sps reef only needs 2 part dosing and nutrients. The other is targeting a pastel color in coral aka borderline bleaching. If the sps frags are showing tissue, you still have a chance to recovering them by increasing N and P and really, you'll want to do that to reverse the dinoflagellate growth.

 

[Evan West]

Lol well here we have two conflicting views:

1. stop dosing the amino acid components
2. increase N and P

These seem in conflict with each other no?

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Lol well here we have two conflicting views:

1. stop dosing the amino acid components
2. increase N and P

These seem in conflict with each other no?

Break down what Aminos do.
And how it would effect N/p.

IMO , it's the difference between a full spectum light and 655 nm.

 

[reeferfoxx]

Lol well here we have two conflicting views:

1. stop dosing the amino acid components
2. increase N and P

These seem in conflict with each other no?

Amino acids act as a nitrogen source summed up. Sort of turbo charges the metabolic rate in coral. The triggers a feeding response. In that response N might increase but P will decrease. Targeting this response in the coral you purchased may not have been completely beneficial. Some coral can produce the needed aminos themselves. However, unless you were targeting plankton or phytoplankton, you inadvertently starved the coral. Now this might have taken a week or more but that seems to be what happened.

 

[BlueMoods]

Looks like dinos to me. I had some for a bit, Now I dose vodka and Purple tech. Inexpensive, easy to dose and, does wonders - no more dinos or GHA, or red cyano, or anything just 2 months later.

 

[Evan West]

So im gathering that i should stop dosing all amino acid supplements and see what happens, also that I should feed more and run carbon.

 

[reeferfoxx]

So im gathering that i should stop dosing all amino acid supplements and see what happens, also that I should feed more and run carbon.

That can work yes but may take time. Wont be a fast response. Slower is better anyway.

 

[Brew12]

Lol well here we have two conflicting views:

1. stop dosing the amino acid components
2. increase N and P

These seem in conflict with each other no?

Amino acids are organic compounds. NO3 and PO4 are inorganic. Because of this they are utilized in completely different ways by various organisms. So, it may seem contradictory, but it actually does make sense.

 

[Velcro]

Stop dosing additives and make sure you have measurable nitrate and phosphate in the tank. If you don’t, dose them. Worst case scenario I have a 55watt jebao UV in Kalamazoo that I would sell you cheap it knocked my ostreopsis Dino’s back significantly after 48 hours and allowed biodiversity to establish in their place once I dosed some nutrients.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Amino acids are organic compounds. NO3 and PO4 are inorganic. Because of this they are utilized in completely different ways by various organisms. So, it may seem contradictory, but it actually does make sense.

And organic compounds have new know to cause dino and bacterial outbreaks, like with vibrant overdose.

 

[reeferfoxx]

And organic compounds have new know to cause dino and bacterial outbreaks, like with vibrant overdose.

Yes because micro organisms such as zoox and other dinoflagellates take the inorganic nitrogen provided by aminos and convert them to ammonia and convert to organic. You'll hear some folks make the comparison to carbon dosing. Not exactly the same but its what tends to happen when ammonia feeds bacteria. The N and P consumption increases. Though more forms of organisms such as coral are utilizing this food as well. Kind of a double whammy.

 

[Evan West]

So just to be streight here. If it's not dinos and it's cyano then feeding more and upping N and P will make it worse? Or will this still help?

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Here is my take , fwiw.

Here's the deal.
There a couple threads about million pages long on this.

The the current consensus (and actually always has been) is nutrient limitation can lead to the proliferation of certain organisms. They can then establish an Dominnce in the tank by leveraging conditions in the biosphere to tap resources that then out compete other more Benicial microfloura and fauna.

So without a microscope and a phd , what you can do is to increase nutrients and introduce other more beneficial and diverse organisms in to the sphere to-out compete the nusance organism. This is usually combined with manual removal or killing of the organism.
This is the basis of most dino treatments in fact. Although it may currently not be recognized as such.

Yes, it's a tiny bit counter intuitive , I have alge So feed more. And yes you may experience a slight bloom , but the introduction of a competitor is a very important step imo to combat this.

For years with typical cyanos , I've said remove as much as you can , do water changes , and add bottled bacterias. Current is reccomend DT tims one and only as it has several strains.


The next step up from there and is Micofauna treatments , aged live rock, garf grunge , Fiji mud. The mud is the least expensive of those. GArf grunge is
the coolest cuz you can order corals from Sally Joe while you are at it.
Jus sayin , a GArf bonsai from GArf.

 

[Brew12]

Yup. The short version is "Find what your more beneficial algae and bacteria are missing and feed them that so they outgrow and starve out the bad stuff".
For me, the missing element was Iron.