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Ok, since I can't seem to figure out how to upload pictures on here yet, I'll do my best to verbally explain.

I am going to be setting up a 75 in my living room and decided to set up my 10g in the mean time to start the cycling process and hopefully get a jump start on the 75.

It's a basic, pet store, 10g aquarium with 2 sets of cheap LED's under the plastic hood. I have a good sized heater, a small fluval power head, and an aquaclear 50 hob filter unit with nothing in the media basket except for a small piece of blue/white filter floss.

Around mid March, I started this up by just throwing in a little (1/2") sand and a bunch of cleaned & dry LR, and saltwater. About a week later, I tossed in a piece of raw shrimp from the local grocery store. After about 3 weeks, to my surprise, the shrimp was still mostly intact but did show some signs of decay. I left the shrimp in there for about another week, and pulled it out.

When I started testing (standard API kit), the ammonia was off the charts. After about a month, signs of nitrites & nitrates started barely showing up. I remembered everyone saying that if a filter was not cleaned, it turns into a nitrate factory, so I put a small piece of blue/white filter floss into the AQ50. About 2 more weeks went by, and almost all the ammonia was gone, nitrites were barely visable, and nitrates had gone down to around 5-10 area. Since then, I have turned on the cheap hood lights and thrown 1 or 2 pieces of flake food in there a week to keep the bacteria colony going.

And I waited, and waited, and waited for this dreaded ugly stage to start... Here it is mid September, and still not one sign of diatoms, algae, etc. Still looks the same as when I started, only no cloudiness.

I have thought about adding a couple snails, or crabs, or something, but with no algae or anything to feed off of, I don't want them starving either. I also considered trying to find someone in a desperate need to eradicate some GSP and see if they would send me a piece, but if nothing else is growing, would this ? Could it just be that the cheapo LED's (about 1" from the surface) just aren't strong enough ? Is it possible that even 6 months later, this isn't "cycled" enough ? No diatoms, cyano, etc ?

The only thing I can think of is, I was once told by a person that I consider very reliable to in the saltwater world, if you start with a sterile system, the only way algae can get in there is if I put it in there.

The 75 is almost ready to put together and set up, and I am really wanting to get a better bacteria support system going in the 10 before I transfer the rock, sand, etc over. Any thoughts, suggestions, considerations appreciated !!

API kit
Sg 1.025-1.026 (measured with 2 floaty hydrometers)
NO3 - 5-10
NO2 - 0
Am - 0
pH - ~ 7.8
 
One more thing to add....I have kept this 75 FOWLR going successfully for about 2-3 years before I tore it down. The only catch is, it was already established before I bought it. So, I have never started a system from scratch before.
 
Do you have a local reef club ... or know of any hobbyists nearby? Maybe get small handful of live sand and a half-cup of water with some coraline scrapings in it. Should be more than enough to introduce at least some film and coraline algae to you tank.

Or for that matter, even a LFS that'll give you half-cup of tank water right after they've cleaned the glass on a tank (e.g. just 'stirred up' some film agae into the water)?
 
I am in a small town of about 1,500 people and I am pretty sure no one else in my county has a salt water aquarium. The next closest fish store is 30 min away, and I barely trust the goldfish there... All the tanks have mojanos & aiptasia throughout them. But they do have decent salt & equipment. Next closest lfs is either Indianapolis, or Fort Wayne... both over an hour away. (Closest Petco is Indy, I believe). I live about half way between the both of them. I have been in the Fort Wayne stores and I like them, but getting up there is a chore, just to look around. Never been to the Indianapolis stores.
I have heard of the Indymas reef club, but with 5 kids at ages 10-16 it's hard to dedicate my time for any clubs for myself.
Those sound like some solid ideas though, and thank you for the reply ! I will see if I can't find or make an excuse to get to Fort Wayne or Indy :).
 
In the typing box bottom right between the Post Reply box and More Options box hit Upload a File. This should take you to your pictures if not go to your pictures and attach as normal.
 
Like this.
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The only thing I can think of is, I was once told by a person that I consider very reliable to in the saltwater world, if you start with a sterile system, the only way algae can get in there is if I put it in there.

agreed
Start adding what you want, but you obviously know to go slowly.
Get some hardy corals you like such as gsp, zoas, etc. Get things that are hardy and cheap. Make sure you treat them for pests (bayer dip) but that doesn't kill the algae. I didn't have any problems growing diatoms (lots and lots of them) without the corals, but I do have other tanks I probably seeded it from. You could also get a small CUC - snails, maybe some hermits. Just keep them fed.

The 75 is almost ready to put together and set up, and I am really wanting to get a better bacteria support system going in the 10 before I transfer the rock, sand, etc over. Any thoughts, suggestions, considerations appreciated !!

Bacteria is different than algae - as apparent that your tank can cycle without adding it. Many types can be airborne and you probably transferred some from your fowlr. But you can get some bacterial diversity with dr tims, seachem remediation, etc. At different times in you tanks life-cycle different bacteria will grow. The tank is cycled so you can start with your fish if they are small enough. They will bring in new types of bacteria as well.

ps - do yourself a favor and get a refractometer now, rather than later when you suspect the very unreliable floaty ones are causing you problems.
 
Ok, so here is what I have done so far...
I ordered the 250 amphipod/copepod from Aquarium Depot and a 8oz size of phyto from Algae barn.

I have also found a local guy (less than 30 miles) who sells coral to LFS in 3 states. Hopefully, I can get him to get me a couple cups of his water when I buy a small frag of gsp from him !

Any ideas on how much phyto to add to this 10g, and how often to keep the pods fed ?
Thanks
 
Just want to update and throw this out there for anyone who might want the information for later... I started this 10g up in the middle of last March (2017). It was started with fresh, uncycled materials (rock, sand, equipment, etc.) And I only threw a piece of raw table shrimp in there for about 2 weeks, and then took it out.

Last September I added a bunch of pods from algae barn in, used all the phyto purchased, and fed a small pinch of flake food every 2 - 3 days. I also added a 2 bulb T5 (forget the color spec, but one is blue and the other actinic/purpleish). Thats all I have done or added with this since I started it, besides monitoring parameters and topping off with distilled water. Pods are still thriving and the seems like there are thousands now.

About 2 weeks ago, I got a light dusting of diatoms for about 1 week, and on Monday this week, I just started seeing signs of pinkish red (cyano) on the top side of my rocks, closest to the lights.
 
Ok, here's another small update.
The 75 is out...not gonna happen. BUT, I did switch everything from my 10g over to a 29 tall that I was going to use in my office. Finally got the scaping done to my liking, and finished adding sand, another (empty) HOB filter for movement, and another small power head.
I'll wait a few weeks to let the bacteria, pods, etc to establish, and then start adding some kind of livestock slowly.

I also have an Orbit Marine, IC Loop led light on the way too.

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You know you can cycle a tank in a week with bio spira? Not sure why you have been running an empty tank for almost a year.
 
If your reading zero ammonia and have cycled it for a year, it's way past due to put in a chromis or two to really get things going. You're limiting the whole process without anything really going on in the tank. Once you get a fish in there it will start pooping, peeing etc and bacteria population will start to rise and basically a snowball effect for the good will start to happen.
 
Yeah, I know that. Some of it has been $$ issue, some of it has been my health. But mostly, I have read about how people have started from scratch and was just curious to see how long it would take by doing things the 'sterile' approach. I'm in my early 40's, not an instant gratification type of person and have plenty of patience, so I don't mind doing things the slower way. It gives me more time to research, observe and study. =)
 
I try not to put my personal business out there too much, but a few years ago, I started getting random dizzy spells. Eventually they got so bad that I ended up going to a few Dr's over them. Fast forward a couple years, and 10's of thousands of dollars later, and I no longer have the career that I was in, and make considerably less $$ than I used to. Then throw in that we have 5 kids between 11 and 16, and suddenly the reef side of things takes the back burner.
All in all, it has taught me a lot about life and patience =)
 
Ok, so I am pretty sure I have a stocking list for this 29g, and I'm open to suggestions and/or opinions, as well as what should be added first - last. Will be one of each, but all added separately.

Tail spot blenny
Clown Goby
Goby/shrimp pair
Sapphire damsel
Chromis
Firefish
1 (maybe 2) clowns

I want a couple shrimp (at least one red one with long white antennae, can't remember the name) and something else, but I have to do some research on them first.

Also, I will be adding (eventually) a torch, frogspawn, and hammer on each shelf, some zoa's throughout, and probably acans on the sandbed.

Those are the immediate plans anyway... Any thoughts ?
 
The tank has been up and running for a week now and here are some quick parameters... All tests on fresh API test kits.

Sg 1.026
pH 8.0
NH3/4 0
NO3 20-40
PO4 .25 - .50
Ca 500
dKH 1 ???? (Tested 3 times)

I understand that API isn't the "best" kit out there, but I have done a lot of reading and it seems that none of the test kits are...lab grade, and it's better to have a standard reading and get good baseline. But this dKH has me curious. The test bottles are far from their expiration, and I use distilled water for mixing. Any ideas why my all is so extremely low ??
 
Alk is so low because you are using an API test kit which is most likly bad... I prefer salifert. You can have your LFS test also, I highly doubt your alk is that low with a ph of 8...

And if money is tight I would maybe just make this Fowlr tank... if that wasnt the plan already, way less money n time and still able to have a tank.
 

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