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So I am day 6 of my cycle using seachems stability and raw shrimp. My shrimp has this weird film on it not sure if thats normal, but where do you guys think i am. The levels have pretty much stayed the same
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Your in the beginning stages of the cycle still.

Film on the shrimp is bacteria.
 
Yeah you still have some time to go on your cycle. You are barely beginning. What I did when I cycled my tank was I bought amonia and dosed that instead of having a piece of food in the tank. But so far it looks like your on the right path.
 
In a nutshell, you need the Ammonia to get processed by bacteria to convert to ----> NitRITE, which is still very bad for fish, which is then fixed by bacteria again to ----------> NiTRATE. When ammonia and nitRITE are zero, and Nitrates are nominal (this varies as to what people find tolerable in the hobby and acceptable for fish), you can effectively call your tank "cycled".

However, your tank is "cycled" (referring to the nitrogen cycle) for the amount of waste ammonia being produced. In other words (and crude words at that) if you are creating 1 grams-worth of waste ammonia, your biome (your habitat) has the ability to turn that 1 gram of waste into nitrate. In bacteriology, it's called the carrying capacity. Your beneficial bacteria has the resources to carry the weight and process 1 grams worth of waste. IF you upset it quickly, such as quadruple the amount of waste overnight, you'd effectively create another cycle having to increase the amount of beneficial bacteria to get the extra 3g of ammonia waste converted, meaning you'd have to wait for enough time to grow that much more bacteria.

So, this is why we add fish/livestock bit by bit as to not create WAY more waste than our tank bacteria can handle effectively. We can help our tank along of course with bacteria additives, but essentially that's the quick breakdown of cycling. The real savvy experienced would poke a few holes in this, but my response is meant to explain what you are looking for and what we are trying to accomplish in cycle.

With ammonia being that high, your shrimp can't be liking that environment.
 
The shrimp method takes a little longer (6-8 weeks) than just adding straight ammonia to the tank (1 - 2 weeks). Maybe for the next tank you can add ammonia :)
 
Yeah you still have some time to go on your cycle. You are barely beginning. What I did when I cycled my tank was I bought amonia and dosed that instead of having a piece of food in the tank. But so far it looks like your on the right path.

I was going to do this, but with the quarantine it was hard to get so I chose best available at the time. I originally wanted to go the dr tims route, but my LFS kinda of talked me out of it. I am in no rush for livestock right now as I want to do this right this time hence why I went the dry sand and dry rock route.
 
we are missing something from your pics to help

full tank shot, we need to see your surface area, where bacteria will attach. typical reefs use rocks and sand, some reefs are quarantine, which changes some details about your cycle and how to measure completion.

we need to know if you are using live rock, which came to your tank wet from some other system, or dry rocks. all cycle troubleshooting must act for those two missing details.
 
So sorry for the stupid questions. But when will I know it's done? It's been awhile. When the ammonia is at 0? And do I need to test every day? Or can I wait a couple between tests?

Your gonna see the, ammonia decreasing and the nitrite increasing, then your Nitrate will start to increase as well.
Patience is the Key, don’t rush it. Take your time this will pay off in the long run.
 
The shrimp method takes a little longer (6-8 weeks) than just adding straight ammonia to the tank (1 - 2 weeks). Maybe for the next tank you can add ammonia :)
Is it too late to do the ammonia route or should I just continue on this method as I have already started?
 
we are missing something from your pics to help

full tank shot, we need to see your surface area, where bacteria will attach. typical reefs use rocks and sand, some reefs are quarantine, which changes some details about your cycle and how to measure completion.

we need to know if you are using live rock, which came to your tank wet from some other system, or dry rocks. all cycle troubleshooting must act for those two missing details.

All dry rock and dry sand
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Btw. I love the tank. Give it time and you'll be great!.

I give you credit for being patient. I had to seed the tank to try to cycle quickly (and I believe slow and steady to be better choice, just I lack the patience.
 
Btw. I love the tank. Give it time and you'll be great!.

I give you credit for being patient. I had to seed the tank to try to cycle quickly (and I believe slow and steady to be better choice, just I lack the patience.
Thanks still debating on the rock scape, might pick up a couple more pieces. Can you add dry rock mid cycle?
 
I would buy some ammonium chloride for dosing. Dr Tim’s makes some. After it’s completely cycled and you have “0ppm ammonia and nitrites” and your left with some nitrates. Dose ammonia to 2ppm to make sure your tank can digest this amount in 24 hours. After it can digest this amount you're good to go. Add livestock slowly.
BTW, Nitrites are of no concern in marine aquaria. Freshwater different story.
 
I would buy some ammonium chloride for dosing. Dr Tim’s makes some. After it’s completely cycled and you have “0ppm ammonia and nitrites” and your left with some nitrates. Dose ammonia to 2ppm to make sure your tank can digest this amount in 24 hours. After it can digest this amount you're good to go. Add livestock slowly.
BTW, Nitrites are of no concern in marine aquaria. Freshwater different story.
I will probably try this. I am assuming once it 0 ammonia and nitrites remove the raw shrimp out. Just trying to figure when to remove that
 
want to know a very simple assessment trick?

all your bacteria dosed have had time to adhere to surfaces. Your shimp has degraded into discernible green ammonia on the api, a running reef tank wont run that green on a reading.

you can just remove the shrimp. when the green trends towards yellow you are cycled, ammonia only, other params don't apply. the reason you don't have to get to zero: this is an API kit you'll be lucky to ever get below .5, the movement down after dosing known back signifies its ready because you have provided enough surface area for a typical reef.

we don't factor nitrite and nitrate in updated cycling science, I have massive threads proving why but that's the short summary above.
 
Here’s an example of the time frame on my last cycle.
Started cycle

Day 1 3-22-18 - added Dr tims and ammonia drops.

Day 2 tested ammonia .75ppm

Day 3 dosed 3ml ammonia

3-25-18 tested 2ppm ammonia

Day 5 3-26-18 tested 2ppm ammonia

Day 6 3-27-18 tested 1-2ppm

Day 7 3-28-18 tested 1-2ppm ammonia,8.1ph, 0 nitrates, 0 nitrites, 6dkh,

Day 8 3-29-18 tested 1-2ppm ammonia

Day 9 3-30-18 tested 2ppm ammonia for

Day 10 3-31-18tested 2 ppm łammonialyo

Day 11 4-1-18 tested 2-4ppm ammonia

Day 12 4-2-18 tested 2ppm ammonia

.25ppm nitrites

Day 13 4-3-18 tested 1ppm ammonia

.50 ppm nitrites 1.025spg 8.0 ph

Day 14 4-4-18 tested 1-2ppm ammonia 1ppm Nitrites.

Day 15 4-5-18 tested 1ppm ammonia 1ppm nitrites.

Day 16. 4-6-18 tested 1ppm ammonia 2-5ppm nitrites

Day 17. 4-7-18 tested

Day 18 4-8-18 tested .25 ppm ammonia 2-5ppm nitrites

Day 19. 4-9-18 tested 0-.25ppm ammonia

2-5ppm nitrites

Day 20. 4-10-18 tested 0-.25ppm ammonia

2-5ppm nitrites

Day 21. 4-11-18 tested 0-ppm ammonia

2-5ppm Nitrites

Day 22. 4-12-18 tested 2-5 ppm nitrite

Day 23. 4-13-18 tested 2-5 ppm nitrite

Day 24. 4-14-18 tested 2-5 ppm nitrite

Day 25. 4-15-18 tested 2-5 ppm nitrite

Day 26. 4-16-18 tested 2-5ppm nitrite

20ppm nitrates

Day 27. 4-17-18 tested 2ppm nitrites

Day 28. 4-18-18 tested 2ppm nitrites

Day 29. 4-19-18 tested 2ppm nitrites

Day 30. 4-20-18 tested 2ppm nitrites

20ppm nitrates

Day 31. 4-21-18 tested 2ppm nitrites

Day 32. 4-22-18 tested 2ppm nitrites

Day 33. 4-23-18 tested 2ppm nitrites

Day 33. 4-24-18 tested 2ppm nitrites

Day 35. 4-25-18 tested 2ppm nitrites

Day 36 4-26-18tested 5ppm nitrites

Day 37 4-27-18tested 5ppm nitrites

Day 38 4-28-18tested 5ppm nitrites

Day 39 4-29-18tested

Day 40 4-30-18tested

Day 41 5-1-18 tested

Day 42 5-2-18 tested .50ppm nitrites

Day 43 5-3-18 tested 0ppm nitrites

Dosed 2ppm ammonia

Day 44 5-4-18 ammonia .25-.50ppm

Nitrites 0

Day 45 5-5-18 ammonia .25-.50ppm nitrites .25ppm

Day 46 5-6-18 ammonia 0-.25ppm nitrites 0-.25ppm

Day 47 5-7-18 ammonia 0ppm

Nitrites 0ppm. Dosed 2ppm ammonia

Day 48 5-8-18 ammonia .50-1.00 ppm

Nitrites .25ppm

5-14-18 Dosed 2ppm ammonia

5-15-18 ammonia 0ppm Nitrites .50ppm

5-16-18 25% W/C. nitrates 10-20ppm

5-18-18. 25% W/C nitrate 10-20ppm closer to 10ppm

5-23-18 dosed 1ppm ammonia

6-16-18 nitrate 0ppm, ammonia 0ppm,
 
you were able to start on day 6
per updated methods.


*this is speed bottle bac it doesn't take weeks or month like normal. only ammonia matters in 2020 updated cycling rules. dr tim advises differently/aware.

recall: marine conventions where they demo quick starts, in dry systems, with a bunch of fish as display. Those are true skip cycle setups/fish are NOT burned by fish-in cycling, and those cycles at marine conventions are just as strong as our 30 day lead-up ones. they are demonstrating to us ammonia control as the only factor that matters in cycling, specifically not nitrate and nitrite, especially when relying on API.

cycling tech has progressed like internet tech has, we're out of 15 meg dialup days.
 
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