Which numbers to chase and how to reach them

Ok thank you guys very much. Another thing I think im understanding (but could definitely use some guudance from the pros on) is while Im dosing these nitrates I should continue to dose the red sea NoPox because while feeding the bacteria these extra nitrates it will somehow help them consume the phosphates better?
 
Ok thank you guys very much. Another thing I think im understanding (but could definitely use some guudance from the pros on) is while Im dosing these nitrates I should continue to dose the red sea NoPox because while feeding the bacteria these extra nitrates it will somehow help them consume the phosphates better?

Yes, that is a reasonable way to reduce phosphate, as are other ways, such as binders or growing macroalgae or ATS. :)
 
I wish I wouldn't have started with this biocube. I really need a sump/fuge. I have a handful of chaeto in the back along with a good size bag of carbon and gfo, plus a bag of phosguard and my phosphates are still rock solid at 1.6. I was able to bring them down to .08 after two 5 gallon water changes.
 
I wish I wouldn't have started with this biocube. I really need a sump/fuge. I have a handful of chaeto in the back along with a good size bag of carbon and gfo, plus a bag of phosguard and my phosphates are still rock solid at 1.6. I was able to bring them down to .08 after two 5 gallon water changes.
.08 or.8
 
Sry bout that, my numbers seem to stay at .16, and after 2 five gallon water changes they came down to .08 for a day or so.
 
Ok the numbers weren't making since. Makes since now though.
 
Sry bout that, my numbers seem to stay at .16, and after 2 five gallon water changes they came down to .08 for a day or so.
that is so weird. you have something really leaching Po badly.
I did finally have the semi mythical "bad rock" once. Gorgeous too, thick thick purple corraline covered in polyps. $50 too. Had to toss it cuz of the Po and No.
 
Will they ever stop leeching phosphates?
nothing should give out THAT much. Po binds to rock and sand and will leech out slowly, so your readings are making me wonder about old used rock or another source.
None of mine leach like that except that ONE. I did have a Po prob but pulled it out(long story later maybe)
If I may ask,I had a JBJ nano cube, do you flush out the back chambers at water change? What skimmer do you have and what return pump? How deep is your sand can you vaccume it?

One problem with my jbj was the return pumps were too fast(stock) so not enough time for the skimmer to work before it blew back into the tank and was easier for stuff to settle in the sand instead of the back. My 2 skimmers in the JBJ were worthless btw. What didnt settle in the tank built up in the back chambers too.
The po bound mostly to my sand and a few pieces of rock (cyano magnets) in the new tank it was def true as the new clean sand and the few rocks got covered in cyano till I pulled it out.
 
In chamber 1 I have a pretty big bag of carbon mixed with gfo along with my Temp and ph probes, in chamber 2 I have an intank media basket with filter floss, purigen, and phosguard, also in the second chamber I have a tunze 9001, with a ball of chaeto underneath it. In the 3rd chamber I have the stock return pump with a tunze nano osmolator, and my heater. I put hermit crabs in the bottom of the first 2 chambers to eat any uneaten food that gets in there. The other place I think the phosphates are coming from is the 1 ml each of red sea reef energy A &B and aqua vitro fuel that I dose. I only feed half a cube of mysis every other day. For fish I only have a firefish, and a neon dottyback (little jerk), and a cleaner shrimp, plus cuc. I just lost a clownfish last week.
 
Will they ever stop leeching phosphates?
I think that's the main question I always have about using live rock!after many many years in the hobby and endless battles with many pest and water parameters drove me to using an alternative and more realistic means of housing bacteria ..99% of my aquascape consist of ceramic(my entire aquascape consist of an alternativereef.com aquascape)my reason behind this is more surface area for bacteria to thrive in.if you took your healthiest piece of live rock and cut it in half I can almost guarantee you that the center consist of nothing more than dead matter...this dead matter is what is leaching thru the live rock and is probably killing off the bacteria that should be consuming phosphates and nitrates..the only live rock in my system is a few pieces in my sump..other than that I use marine pure bio blocks or bio speres that consist of extremely porous ceramic.my system been running like this for years without any phosphate or nitrate issues..I don't use gfo or carbon..matter of fact I only turn my skimmer on 3 times a week for probably 8 hrs tops..I also dose seachem flourish nitrogen to raise my nitrates as they are too low to my liking
 
Will they ever stop leeching phosphates?

If it is phosphate adsorbed onto the calcium carbonate surfaces, then keeping it in low phosphate water (in tank or outside of the tank) will allow it to come off and it will be done.

If it is coming from dead organic matter on it, it will release nuttrients until the organic matter is mostly decayed and gone.
 
Is that what all the muratic acid is about, getting rid of dead organic matter?
 
keep in mind, although some Po is found naturally in the rock, the rest has been put there by us and then is bound to the rock and sand.

do you flush out the back chambers at water change and how deep is your sand can you vaccume it?
Although a CUC may eat it it is still in the tank and can only be removed mechanically or in a well balanced biosphere.

In my case I had fish that would not eat well, so mama flooded the tank with food and the skimmer could not keep up, and the design of the cube exacerbated the problem.
Once I figured that out, I only did the WC from the Back of the cube and what came out was nearly skimmate. My sand unfortunately was too deep to vac.

To fix the prob I did a tank transfer to a 30 cube and simply rinsed the sand and rock. For the problem rocks w algae I used a little peroxide solution.

Using A HOB refugium with higher lighting and increasing the number of corals and the intensity of the tank lighting, I used the corals, macros and the cyano itself to pull the Po from the sand and rock. I treated the cyano like Chato so to speak, letting it grow and then siphoning it out. I did not use GFO or other binders. I did use a $60 amazon canister filter as additional mechanical filtration to help when I blew cyano and alhae of the rock and cleaned it weekly. About one gallon of saltwater.

As Randy mentioned, another method of removing Po bound on rock from dirty tank is to put it in a bucket or bin with GFO. It keeps it live too. Thats also kind of how I tested to find the bad rock. I put it in a bucket with fresh SW and flow, then tested the Po and No.

Muriatic acid will kill the rock it and is a common method to start fresh and dry.

Were I you I would consider a deep clean and rebuild. This would would remove the sources and allow the gfo to bind the Po and remove it from the system. My transfer to 4 or 5 hours and the rehab in the new tank took about a month and a half.
 
Is that what all the muratic acid is about, getting rid of dead organic matter?

Muriatic acid is mostly intended to remove bound phosphate by dissolving the outermost thin edge of the rock. Organic matter may fall off as the underlying layer diussolves, but bleach is better for removing organics. :)
 
And please don't mix the two... ;)

Definitely...

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i wouldnt stress unless your phosphates exceed .16ppm po4. after that, coral growth is inhibited.

it would benefit if you had stronger lighting if you had those numbers though.
 
As I'm following this I'm curious, how much bleach would you use ?
 

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