Why are reef tanks not more popular?

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There is to much information most of it is conflicting so Noob would get migraine headaches. o_O

it's not something you can go out and read a book to learn, like mechanics or rocket science which have generally the same procedure for what you are trying to do. With fish, who would you listen to? Would you quarantine? Dip? Medicate? go with Bare bottom? DSB, SSB, reverse UG filter (My favorite) :p

Go for peaceful fish? Triggers and puffers? Tangs? Manta Rays?

Use LEDs, Metal Malide? Whale Oil? Artificial Seawater, Natural Seawater, Toilet water?
What gravel, or sand? Dolomite, Crushed coral, Moon rocks?

What to feed? Flakes, Pellets, Cheerios, Frozen, Rods food or Ron Howard food?
 
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Why are reef tanks not more popular?

Because they require, work, time, patience and money. All of those in varying degrees depending on the size and choice of inhabitants.
I find many people don't have the time or aren't willing to put forth the effort or use any number of the above as an excuse not to do it.

For me, it was lack of time for many many years. I was into the hobby 30 years ago for about 2 years. After having a child, moving all the time and several other reasons I was unable to reasonably enjoy the hobby. Now that I'm settled and have tons of extra time.. I'm back.
 
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Agree. But, more people should look into local tank experts who will come to your house. If you aren't sure where to find them ask your lfs. The charge is reasonable and they only have to come like every 2 weeks if you want them to do the water change. Less if you don't. Heck, with all the money we spend buying tests it's not that expensive at all because they do all the testing. Add to that all the $$$ we spend getting things wrong. Plus, they haul all the water! And they will advise on all fish and coral. You literally can't go wrong.

You still have to feed them but if you don't have time for that you definitely shouldn't be getting a tank.

If you are relying on a tank maintenance service then I don't consider you being a hobbyist. Sure if you need assistance/maintenance while away that is valid. My local maintenance guy lives 1.5 hours away.

Not everyone has high end big expensive tanks either and deep pockets. You can reef in a bowl.
 
I think it's going down hill very fast now. TV shows like Tanked bought some interest back into the hobby. But like everything else, this has passed. With the very recent collection bans, rise in cost of livestock and equipment. Many are going in debt for this hobby. You never hear about those.
And the number one reason, misinformation. This hobby has many complicated questions, yet there isn't a single answer for any of them. That's not a hobby most will stick to for long.
I see this hobby hurting itself with greed in the coral merchants most of all. Get what ya can as long as ya can because in a few years you'll be selling party favors on Ebay.
 
Money is probably the biggest immediate turn off. I brought my mom with to Aquashella and she enjoyed it but could not believe the cost of some of the corals and equipment.

She was also shocked so see how BIG the hobby was. So many fish nerds under one roof and people from Texas and Cali and all over the USA all coming to Chicago for the event.
 
A reef aquarium is a piece of living artwork, it's bringing a small slice of one of the most beautiful and diverse biomes found on our planet into your living room, the challenges and expenses can make such an elegant idea quickly seem impractical and too demanding for most.

It's an incredibly rewarding hobby for those who put the time into learning it, I think LEDs opened the door for a lot of people, as much as I dislike it sometimes, I think the designer name game taking off magnetized the hobby as well, People like to collect stuff, shoes, pokemon cards, stamps etc etc,- with reefkeeping it's more than that, it's tough to explain, the challenges posed by maintaining a chemical soup and mimicking mother nature seems baffling at first, but even the work part of reefkeeping can be therapeutic for many. It's a hobby that is with me for life, I have tried giving it up, but I always seem to come crawling back.
 
Many are going in debt for this hobby. You never hear about those.

I know a good bit of people that have taken out like 5k loans for setups and racked up another couple grand worth on paypal for livestock. I guess it's not any different than financing a 4wheeler or bike though in the grand scheme.
 
1) Start up is pretty expensive and if it’s not expensive then success is harder to achieve. People can disagree with this statement all they want BUT if you have little to no experience and don’t spend enough on some type of prebuilt system it’s harder to keep a nice reef.
2) Patience is a virtue that not many have but you absolutely need for this hobby
3) There are areas with absolute garbage for saltwater stores or like a one off pet shop with some saltwater fish. Companies will usually sell freshwater fish instead of salt because there are way higher margins, easier maintenance and a bigger market
Also there are lots of people that want a piece of art that moves, not something they have to get their hands in
 
Reef aquariums aren't for everyone, the same as dogs and cats aren't the same for everyone.

Reef keeping is a long term commitment. A large percentage of the population doesn't have the attention span, discipline, commitment, intelligence, common sense, etc. Should I go on?

We live in a time of instant gratification. Most don't want a reef aquarium. They want a reef aquarium app they can download for free and look at when they want. And when they don't, they can turn it off and move on. No fuss, no muss.
 
I feel in love with this hobby in 2010. Started with a 55 gallon rsm250 and broke it down in 2012 due to money and time constraints. I told myself I will have a bigger inwall tank in the future when I get a little more successful. Fast forward to 2019, I now have a 350 gallon tank with all the bells and whistles. 3 months back into the hobby and will probably never look back. Most people get turn off is definitely due to the money that it takes to start this hobby. If you don’t have deep pockets, you will have to put in a lot more maintenance and spend more time doing it which is what I did back then. Now I got all the automation put in and spending a ton of money on it, I now get to enjoy my tank more. My tank gives me relaxation at night and it is well worth it IMO. To each their own, I see people gamble away thousands of dollars with nothing to show for. Clothes etc etc. In the grand scheme of things, you will spend on what you love and it’s harder for people to justify saltwater tank due to the fact they have no experience with it.
 
With reef keepers it’s a lot of “if it’s not the best it’s trash” mentality. (this is a generalized comment based not on here but my life’s personal interactions, I mean no offense here guys and gals, y’all are stupid chill and I love this place!) it can be offputting to someone that doesn’t want to sink 1k into a new hobby they they already think will fail.

This hobby can be super gatekeepy when it comes to new people or really anything in general, and a lot of it seems to focus on the livestock you keep (especially SPS for some reason). It really put me off when I first started and made it seem like the only way for me to be a real reefer was to keep high end, expensive corals and spend tons of money.

"Oh you can't afford x lighting? Why even bother starting, you'll have to upgrade eventually when you keep SPS"
"soft corals are for newbies, only REAL keepers keep sps"
"You don't want to spend 2k on a dang return pump? why bother keeping fish if you won't get them the best?"
"Oh you have X brand? Guess you don't care bout your pets!"
"This coral that looks exactly like yours (that you got for $10 for the frag) costs $200 more per polyp because it has a fancy name. You don't love corals until you buy the fanciest expensive ones"
etc etc etc.

A lot of people seem to act like their way is the only correct way to do something, or that you aren't a "real reefer" unless you have "X" or don't have "Y". I try to avoid a lot of things in this hobby because people can be so toxic about such menial crap. I really don't care whether you think GSP is for babies or that you can only be a true reefer if you spend thousands of dollars and hours of your time taking care of a tray of colorful sticks that you'll keep fragging so they never look anything more than that. I keep my corals because I like them. I want colorful, easy, low maintenance corals that I can show off to my friends and grow to a big colony. I have no desire to chase parameters and spend 10k on a dosing setup to keep colorful rocks that cost $200 for one the size of a fingertip. And god forbid if I don't spend at least $400 on a new piece of equipment.

My tank has Mars Aqua LEDs, and an Icecap 1K gyre. That's about it. No protein skimmer, some ceramic media in the back (it's an AIO), and I feed heavily to keep nutrients in the tank for the softies I keep. Maybe I'll figure some way to set up a refugium in the back, when I have more time and money. I don't have expensive top of the line stuff that is probably made in the same factory that my stuff is made in. I did it on a budget because I am a college student. I keep soft corals because I want a dynamic, moving, colorful, low maintenance tank. I think they're beautiful when the corals flow and wave and billow back and forth. I have no desire to keep stony corals and I cringe whenever I read people say "when you finally move on to SPS" or "just wait until you keep SPS, they're so much better" like it's some end goal everyone has, and you're only a real reefer when you keep them. It's just like when people say "You'll want kids eventually." Not really, I think they're messy, high maintenance, expensive, and way more trouble than they're worth.
If I wanted a colorful stick that stands there, I'd buy a few cans of spray paint and break off a branch from a tree. Stop acting like it's everyone's end goal to have them and a reef tank isn't a reef tank if it doesn't have X product or Y coral.

Just do what you enjoy and don't let other people make you feel bad for what you like. If you want a tank that is only SPS and you want to spend thousands of dollars to keep them, go right ahead! If you want to do everything on a budget and keep the cheapest, most common corals that exist then you can do that too! Keep only a display tank for macroalgae if you want! Just don't act like so many people on here do and pretend that because someone doesn't do it the way you do they aren't doing it right or they're dumb for liking what they do. It's gatekeeping at it's finest and creates a super toxic atmosphere that turns many, many people away. Get off your high horse and realize other people can enjoy different things than you.

The only "right way" to do this hobby is to have fun and do what you want. It's your dang reef tank and you can keep whatever makes you feel happy. There's no need to try and please anyone else but yourself.

Rant over lol.

Also, this hobby can be cheap if done on a budget, but not a lot of people realize that (for the aforementioned reasons above) and it can turn a lot away, especially with the atmosphere of "if it's not the most expensive it's trash" mentality.
 
This hobby can be super gatekeepy when it comes to new people or really anything in general, and a lot of it seems to focus on the livestock you keep (especially SPS for some reason). It really put me off when I first started and made it seem like the only way for me to be a real reefer was to keep high end, expensive corals and spend tons of money.

"Oh you can't afford x lighting? Why even bother starting, you'll have to upgrade eventually when you keep SPS"
"soft corals are for newbies, only REAL keepers keep sps"
"You don't want to spend 2k on a dang return pump? why bother keeping fish if you won't get them the best?"
"Oh you have X brand? Guess you don't care bout your pets!"
"This coral that looks exactly like yours (that you got for $10 for the frag) costs $200 more per polyp because it has a fancy name. You don't love corals until you buy the fanciest expensive ones"
etc etc etc.

A lot of people seem to act like their way is the only correct way to do something, or that you aren't a "real reefer" unless you have "X" or don't have "Y". I try to avoid a lot of things in this hobby because people can be so toxic about such menial crap. I really don't care whether you think GSP is for babies or that you can only be a true reefer if you spend thousands of dollars and hours of your time taking care of a tray of colorful sticks that you'll keep fragging so they never look anything more than that. I keep my corals because I like them. I want colorful, easy, low maintenance corals that I can show off to my friends and grow to a big colony. I have no desire to chase parameters and spend 10k on a dosing setup to keep colorful rocks that cost $200 for one the size of a fingertip. And god forbid if I don't spend at least $400 on a new piece of equipment.

My tank has Mars Aqua LEDs, and an Icecap 1K gyre. That's about it. No protein skimmer, some ceramic media in the back (it's an AIO), and I feed heavily to keep nutrients in the tank for the softies I keep. Maybe I'll figure some way to set up a refugium in the back, when I have more time and money. I don't have expensive top of the line stuff that is probably made in the same factory that my stuff is made in. I did it on a budget because I am a college student. I keep soft corals because I want a dynamic, moving, colorful, low maintenance tank. I think they're beautiful when the corals flow and wave and billow back and forth. I have no desire to keep stony corals and I cringe whenever I read people say "when you finally move on to SPS" or "just wait until you keep SPS, they're so much better" like it's some end goal everyone has, and you're only a real reefer when you keep them. It's just like when people say "You'll want kids eventually." Not really, I think they're messy, high maintenance, expensive, and way more trouble than they're worth.
If I wanted a colorful stick that stands there, I'd buy a few cans of spray paint and break off a branch from a tree. Stop acting like it's everyone's end goal to have them and a reef tank isn't a reef tank if it doesn't have X product or Y coral.

Just do what you enjoy and don't let other people make you feel bad for what you like. If you want a tank that is only SPS and you want to spend thousands of dollars to keep them, go right ahead! If you want to do everything on a budget and keep the cheapest, most common corals that exist then you can do that too! Keep only a display tank for macroalgae if you want! Just don't act like so many people on here do and pretend that because someone doesn't do it the way you do they aren't doing it right or they're dumb for liking what they do. It's gatekeeping at it's finest and creates a super toxic atmosphere that turns many, many people away. Get off your high horse and realize other people can enjoy different things than you.

The only "right way" to do this hobby is to have fun and do what you want. It's your dang reef tank and you can keep whatever makes you feel happy. There's no need to try and please anyone else but yourself.

Rant over lol.

Also, this hobby can be cheap if done on a budget, but not a lot of people realize that (for the aforementioned reasons above) and it can turn a lot away, especially with the atmosphere of "if it's not the most expensive it's trash" mentality.

Wow. You need a better local club or new friends lol. I don't see this at all. I see the high dollar marketing but that's just companies. Which I don't blame them I'd rather sell you the $600 skimmer vs the $200 one myself.

Most everyone I know keeps a mixed reef and is pretty supportive. We're all in the trenches together. Most people think we're weird/crazy & we're one more water spill away from our spouse cleaning the toilet with our tooth brush lol
 
Wow. You need a better local club or new friends lol. I don't see this at all. I see the high dollar marketing but that's just companies. Which I don't blame them I'd rather sell you the $600 skimmer vs the $200 one myself.

Most everyone I know keeps a mixed reef and is pretty supportive. We're all in the trenches together. Most people think we're weird/crazy & we're one more water spill away from our spouse cleaning the toilet with our tooth brush lol

There's a reason I joined this forum instead of others. This one is the friendliest and has the most supportive members. Others, well not so much.

Man I wish there was a club around me! I live so far in the middle of nowhere that the only interaction I have with other reefers is through the internet. Might be why I see more of it since I'm always browsing. 2+ hours to the nearest pet shop.
 
I think it's easy for us involved hobbyists to forget just how expensive it is. I had a neighbor that was interested in having a reef tank and ended up buying a used 210 gallon tank and stand on an impulse for $300. A good deal, but he had no idea of the other costs until he asked me to come over and give him some advice. He was in the mindset that the tank is the expensive part, but unfortunately it's not. Here's a list of fairly essential things that you would need when getting into the hobby, or soon after getting into it. lets just assume a fairly modest 40 gallon tank.

Tank $40
Stand $50
BB light $100
RODI $150
Box of salt $50
40# dry rock $80
Bottle of bacteria $20
Dry sand $40
Heater $30
Ammonia/nitrite/nitrate test kits $30
Alk/Ca/ Mag test kits $45

That's already added up to over $600, and that doesn't include any filtration at all. Likely you'd want a protein skimmer, some powerheads, ATO, maybe a sump and overflow box, monthly additives, any fish and coral you want...etc.

You're easily looking at $800-1,000 realistically to start up a modest sized tank with dry rock and sand, and "affordable" equipment. If you wanted the brand name stuff you could easily spend that much on just a light.

For us, we have become numb to the expense and have gotten used to brushing off a $50-100 cost of something we need here and there for the tank. To most people outside of the hobby, they just cringe when they hear these $50-100 costs adding up.
 
I know when I was first considering getting into this hobby the stigma that it was extremely difficult certainly made me hesitant. I kept hearing that it wasn't a question of "if" your tank would crash, but "when". Then when I started researching for myself, it seemed a bit more doable than I thought, but then I realized it's also much more expensive that I'd anticipated. In addition, there is so much conflicting information on how to be successful and what is the "right" way to do things that it's hard for a new person to decide which route to take without having a mentor to guide them. Then on top of that, great LFS's are few and far between and it's rare to have a truly knowledgeable, experienced person at the larger chain stores.

Ultimately, there really are a lot of hurdles that most people just don't make it over. Or if they do, they don't last due to frustration or lack of dedication. I think it takes someone who is truly infatuated (dare I say obsessed) with trying (and staying with) this hobby to take the plunge and commit the monetary and time investment needed to do so. I kind of like the fact that it's somewhat of a niche hobby though because it's exciting to meet people who are as into it as you are since they seem to be rare (at least around me).
 
I think the biggest problem is still that the vast majority of the populace has never seen a nice reef tank in person. Even among my friends, as soon as I get out of my reef aquarium circle, I get " Oh wow, I didn't know your corals were alive! I'm amazed that's possible!" Take away the few very well-maintained stores in any one state, and tell me how many really nice display aquariums you see. People need inspiration first, and inspiration rarely comes from a 55 gallon tank with some live rock covered in hair algae or cyano and a couple clownfish in a half-dead anemone or some brown Capnella and Xenia so under-lit that it doesn't even pulse. When people see the store staff struggling, their first instinct is not to correctly assume the staff doesn't know what they're doing, but to assume that it must just be that hard.

That being said, when people ask me: " Isn't that really hard?" I say " It's not hard*"
* If you know what you're doing
"Is it hard to learn?"
"No*"
*If you know where to look
"Is it hard to find where to look?"
"No*"
* If you have a good B. S. filter lol
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 32 45.7%
  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • No.

    Votes: 26 37.1%
  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 3 4.3%
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