Why do so many people leave the hobby?

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Great answers everyone! I got sick of setting up and tearing down system after system when I was apartment living. I purchased a house in 2010, but knew it wasn't a forever house, so I started stashing money away then. I am now in the process of building a house with a dedicated area for my dream tank.
 
At 43 with an iffy back crawling around under and behind the tank is already taxing.

Better equipment placement could help but in 20 years will it be worth it?

In 20 years ill probably switch to a simple FOWLR set up and just have two small pillars of rock that can be easily pulled abd cleaned.

The type of tank you could actually treat dz in the display and solve the rest with a couple water changes.

I look forward to having some nice angels and butterflys finally.

Also im convinced ozone has something to do with Pauls success.

He inspired me to run it and so far it's been well worth the trouble.
 
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Also im convinced ozone has something to do with Pauls success.

He inspired me to run it and so far it's been well worth the trouble.

Ozone could have something to do with it as I have never run my tank without Ozone. Of course it could be my good looks or Fairy God Mother, but I will go with the Ozone. :rolleyes:
 
This thread has spurred 140 replies which is great. I love it when a thread can go on for this long without even the hint of an argument. If I wanted to argue, I would go out into the street and yell who I voted for. :eek:
Our hobby is indeed habit forming and even the people who have the most problems seem to keep interested for the most part anyway.
Of course sickness and finances drive many of us away.
It has been a lifetime passion for me but it is not my only hobby, it is one of many.
Yesterday I just had to buy this purple gorgonian. I already have to many of them and really have no place to put it so I had to move things around to fit it, and when I do that, I break things. The fish bite me and I jerk back (because some of my fish have fangs). I glued this very tall gorgonian on a rock and being my arm is in a sling from a shoulder operation, I dropped it in the tank and figured I would position it when I had more mobility. Of course I dropped it on another coral and broke it in half. Of course it fell up side down so I had to go in and get it and glue it back. While I was in there the clownfish bit me causing me to break a montipora. Now I had to glue that. I am running out of glue. :confused:
But I don't think of these things as a problem or work. It's like if I came upon a Supermodel with sore ankle and she asked me to carry her home, would that be considered work? I don't think so. :rolleyes:
I am also getting old and have completed almost all of my bucket list. As a matter of fact, I can't think of hardly anything that I wanted to do that I have not done except skydiving. I don't know why I never did that but I didn't. I guess I still can but with my arm in a sling, they may have a problem letting me do that now.
I have also gone to just about everywhere I wanted to go which is a shame.
So reefing keeps my mind going. That and reading, I love to read. :D

BEST. RESPONSE. EVER.
 
More thoughts?
 
There are always more thoughts. Now it is boating season so I have little time for my tank. Sometimes I get home after the tank lights go out so the fish go to sleep without dinner. They get over it. Sometimes I can't change water for 3, 4 or 5 months, I never got a bad text from my fish as they understand. My algae screen is so full it put up a sign that reads "Produce Stand". My fish know me and forgive me.
I think we think too much into this, especially with those stupid test kits where many people believe the numbers have to be exactly in the blue area of that little paper that comes with that $5.00 chart.
If the fish are smiling and the corals are living and opening up, forget those kits and go out for a nice Merlot, watch the sunset, have a chocolate covered strawberry. The fish are fine.
But too many times we go nuts and get all stressed. If you want to get stressed, tell your wife she looks fat in those shorts or after she spends $175.00 on a hair cut, tell her she looks like she combed her hair with an egg beater. :eek:
If you get stressed about anything in this hobby, sell everything and get out, maybe sell canoe's.
It's a hobby and everything about it is supposed to be either fun, interesting or at least make girls like you. (If you are a man of course)
My wife is a little mad at me right now because a few days ago our Daughter invited us to a dinner at a very expensive restaurant in Manhattan for a party.
I hate Manhattan and tell people all the time that if not for my Grand Kids you would have to give me at least $5,000.00 to go there for anything. If you offer me $4,999.00, I won't go. I worked there for 40 years and that's how I feel. If course if you offer me $5,000.05. Then I may go.
Anyway. My wife has always been GaGa over Tom Sellic.
We didn't go.
Guess who was sitting in the next seat that my wife was supposed to sit in? Yep. Tom Sellic. :cool:
 
There are always more thoughts. Now it is boating season so I have little time for my tank. Sometimes I get home after the tank lights go out so the fish go to sleep without dinner. They get over it. Sometimes I can't change water for 3, 4 or 5 months, I never got a bad text from my fish as they understand. My algae screen is so full it put up a sign that reads "Produce Stand". My fish know me and forgive me.
I think we think too much into this, especially with those stupid test kits where many people believe the numbers have to be exactly in the blue area of that little paper that comes with that $5.00 chart.
If the fish are smiling and the corals are living and opening up, forget those kits and go out for a nice Merlot, watch the sunset, have a chocolate covered strawberry. The fish are fine.
But too many times we go nuts and get all stressed. If you want to get stressed, tell your wife she looks fat in those shorts or after she spends $175.00 on a hair cut, tell her she looks like she combed her hair with an egg beater. :eek:
If you get stressed about anything in this hobby, sell everything and get out, maybe sell canoe's.
It's a hobby and everything about it is supposed to be either fun, interesting or at least make girls like you. (If you are a man of course)
My wife is a little mad at me right now because a few days ago our Daughter invited us to a dinner at a very expensive restaurant in Manhattan for a party.
I hate Manhattan and tell people all the time that if not for my Grand Kids you would have to give me at least $5,000.00 to go there for anything. If you offer me $4,999.00, I won't go. I worked there for 40 years and that's how I feel. If course if you offer me $5,000.05. Then I may go.
Anyway. My wife has always been GaGa over Tom Sellic.
We didn't go.
Guess who was sitting in the next seat that my wife was supposed to sit in? Yep. Tom Sellic. :cool:


Nice thoughts Paul and agree with most of it! Lol!

Man you're really in the dog house huh? Ha!
 
soooo..... I guess a lot of us decided to put off quitting and shutting down our tanks a little while longer? Haven't been on in a while and noticed that this thread still had a following. Glad you all are still here, and there is still salt water flowing through your veins. lol
 
When I left it was due to a move that would have required lugging many 5 gallon buckets up a flight of stairs and traveling several miles over Michigan roads which are notorious for potholes and then onto a dirt road which was worse to a house built in the 40's with a wooden floor and the house was only meant to last for 5 years for the war effort at a nearby factory. I held onto the gear but a few years later the recession hit and I gave it all away and moved across country. It's only been the last year that I have been able to piece together a 90L with stand for $30 in excellent condition, a free 50 bow front, a free 60L with stand that needs some work and a whisper hob for the 90L for $5, and then Matthew hit last October after another job loss due to sequestration and Matthew destroyed our home and vehicles and resulted in a third job loss because the boss didn't care that I had to get my family to safety after black mold was found growing in the wall. Subsequently the stress put me in the hospital for a while and getting out I was able to prove wrong doing on the part of the manager and won my case for unemployment. Two weeks later I got a call for an interview which was followed by another and a job offer and now I work for the state as an underpaid supervisor for two maximum security prisons.

The return to the hobby will take longer than I had wanted, costs for livestock have become crazy stupid now that tiny buttons of corrals are selling for several hundred dollars and as I said I'm underpaid for my specific skill set as a welder but like the above items I will continue to shop thrift stores for more items to get on the cheap and hopefully Irma will not hit us as the US and Euro models are predicting.
 
When I left it was due to a move that would have required lugging many 5 gallon buckets up a flight of stairs and traveling several miles over Michigan roads which are notorious for potholes and then onto a dirt road which was worse to a house built in the 40's with a wooden floor and the house was only meant to last for 5 years for the war effort at a nearby factory. I held onto the gear but a few years later the recession hit and I gave it all away and moved across country. It's only been the last year that I have been able to piece together a 90L with stand for $30 in excellent condition, a free 50 bow front, a free 60L with stand that needs some work and a whisper hob for the 90L for $5, and then Matthew hit last October after another job loss due to sequestration and Matthew destroyed our home and vehicles and resulted in a third job loss because the boss didn't care that I had to get my family to safety after black mold was found growing in the wall. Subsequently the stress put me in the hospital for a while and getting out I was able to prove wrong doing on the part of the manager and won my case for unemployment. Two weeks later I got a call for an interview which was followed by another and a job offer and now I work for the state as an underpaid supervisor for two maximum security prisons.

The return to the hobby will take longer than I had wanted, costs for livestock have become crazy stupid now that tiny buttons of corrals are selling for several hundred dollars and as I said I'm underpaid for my specific skill set as a welder but like the above items I will continue to shop thrift stores for more items to get on the cheap and hopefully Irma will not hit us as the US and Euro models are predicting.

Amen. Hang in there!
 
I had a tank when I was in high school. I taught my parents how to care for it before I went to college but the first week after I moved a tropical storm took out the power for 3 days and it wiped out my tank. I stopped, then, because I was just starting college and didn't have the time, space, or money to start over. I got a betta tank in my senior year of college. And then I graduated and got a job at a fish store and now I'm back and have no plans to leave again. Moving will be tricky and expensive but keeping aquariums has been a big part of my life and honestly the most rewarding hobby I've ever had.
 
This is the age of instant gratification. Internet forums and most social media are kinda cigarette , they induce a craving for sharing and staying up to date. I find that to be very opposite to one of the key essence of reef keeping, i.e. patience. This might be one reason we hear lot of more about people leaving the hobby. I dont know if this indicate less people are cherishing the hobby over all. I would say probably not, the sheer amount of vendors, reef related forums and availability of so many corals propagated in captivity kinda hint that we still have a thriving hobby. As far as the hobby itself goes, I think it will keep on changing, and there will be some differences due to sheer generation gaps.
I have had freshwater tanks since I can remember, read about reef keeping for almost 3 years, and actively doing it for couple of years now. I could see people leaving hobby for genuine reasons, like money, time commitment and other difficulties. I am not too sad about that, I wish who ever keeps reef for whatever time period, does so in a way that is beneficial for the individual and the hobby.
 
Man, great thread. I personally have been learning this hobby for the past 5 years or so and am just now able to support a 55 gallon reef. I think most people bounce because of patience and money. It takes a lot of time to learn this hobby and it takes money to learn. You have to kill a couple of systems before you really learn how to keep a reef. I think this is why most people leave, they don't want to start up again and keep pushing. Once you get your bearings alls well, just takes time to get there.
 
For me it was related to needing to move and/or job related stress and that leading to me losing interest. I've never been gone for more than a year though and it's been nearly 12 yrs since I first started a reef tank. Hopefully my new system will be a long lasting one.
 
Set up my first Reef tank while on assignment with JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command), that lasted just over 2 years before moving on (again). Retired after 22 years U.S. Marine Force Recon Sniper (89 confirmed).

Now more or less settled here in Northeast Texas so I started a Reef tank again.
 
Posted this in response to a reefer having problems keeping corals alive running "ULNS" system.

"I've been in this hobby a long time and up till not long ago, no NO3 and no PO4 were preached as gospel. I never followed that thinking.

So many hobbyist, all those years, where killing corals and spending ungodly amounts of money controlling nutrients down to 0 because they were told to by ill informed LFS employees or hobbyists that don't fully understand how to keep a reef.

Not to mention all the hobbyists that have given up the hobby because "my corals all died"! I fully understand why. I have heard new hobbyists on the forums struggle keeping corals following this backward thinking. None of the "masters" of this hobby follow this "ULNS" craziness. Read and learn:

https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/tank-parameters-of-some-masters.263/

These guys have been in the hobby a LONG time and quite successful keeping corals by feeding their corals nitrates and a little phosphates. Not starving them.

Me NO3 15-20, PO4 at trace. Corals doing exceptionally well and very healthy.

Feed you corals people!

Happy reefing! :)"
 
They simply don't have time, lost their passion or running out of cash to continue having one. The later is very true for me. If I have to maintain a reef tank as per standard I saw on forums, with all the gadgets/tools/equipment/water changes etc, I should have quit 2 years ago.
 
They simply don't have time, lost their passion or running out of cash to continue having one. The later is very true for me. If I have to maintain a reef tank as per standard I saw on forums, with all the gadgets/tools/equipment/water changes etc, I should have quit 2 years ago.

I hear you! K.I.S.S. is the way I do it.
 
I hear you! K.I.S.S. is the way I do it.

Couldn't agree more. For me, the dollar sign is very limited as 99% of the reefing products are fully imported. At current foreign exchange rate, anything made in USA is at least 4.5 times more expensive. For European made products, 5.5 is the magic number ;Dead
 
They simply don't have time, lost their passion or running out of cash to continue having one. The later is very true for me. If I have to maintain a reef tank as per standard I saw on forums, with all the gadgets/tools/equipment/water changes etc, I should have quit 2 years ago.

I feel like the cost is going to get exponentially better in the next few years. Things are just now being put out (I.e. Hanna test kits, apex controllers, LED lighting) that are changing the industry. Once competitors and newer versions come out it'll be much more affordable than it is now. Even compared to 5-10 years ago I feel like there are cheaper options to maintain successful tanks.
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 32 45.7%
  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • No.

    Votes: 26 37.1%
  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 3 4.3%
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