Why do so many people leave the hobby?

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Easy answer is - it's a lot harder than it looks. Lots of hobbies suffer the same.. guitar, piano, golf, RC cars, fitness clubs, I could go on and on..
 
I don't remember ever bumping a thread in my life, but I am bumping this one because I have writers block and can't think of anything to write now. :p
 
I have been in the hobby a very long time about 30 years reef, much longer just saltwater and freshwater fish. Most of the people I have associated with early on are still in the reef hobby. It has been the ones the last 10 to 15 years maybe a little longer that leave. Almost all my personal friends that I met in the hobby during that time have left and it is allot of them.. A few come back briefly...

I can tell you why almost all have left and there are several reasons.

For allot it is burn out. Too many got in way too deep to fast and burned out, It is easy to do.. So many set up too big of tanks, too many tanks, frag tanks or even businesses. The hobby can get expensive and too large of a tank or too many tanks can become allot of work.... Just in way over there head and when interest drops, have to work overtime, family issues or other things become important, they have all these tanks etc.

Another big thing is collectors. They spend so much money and then even when there is a little crash they lose so much money it is disheartening. I have seen a few that got in so deep it almost ruined them financially too..

Another issue is those that do not spend the time to learn biology and when something goes wrong they are in trouble. Allot of these people are the ones looking for a quick fix.. These are the ones usually with issues they can not fix or do stuff to make things worse. Allot of the people are more into equipment or corals. Early on it was about biology.



Paul you talk about bad advice and I agree there is allot of this. Allot of the advice is just parroting. Allot of the people that I consider advanced users (these are the people who have been in the hobby a while and proven them selves with keeping a nice aquarium for a decent period of time) have left the message boards..

They left because it is hard to give good advice anymore, too many are here looking to do something they already know they cannot or should not do.. Example I gave some advice the other day on some fish that should not be kept together, you know where 99 people have had issues and maybe one person had had success at least for now. Well that one person post yea I have had no issues and that person listens to that one person.
You go to help someone clear up an algae issue and instead of listening they dump some chemical in which makes it worse or solves it temporarily because someone said it worked for them...Frustrating..

I think equipment has made this hobby allot easier which allows people to move faster then they should. It also seems to become a crutch for biology. When something goes wrong people dont know what to do..


To me those that are going to survive this hobby take it slow, do not get in over there head and learn the biology... They also dont get too heavily into collecting..

Well Paul since we are bumping and my original post was in 2015 I think.

It does not seem like the exit has slowed but I Would like to add a few newer things that seem to affect some people since then.

The price of the hobby is increasing and some feel it has got to expensive. i know a few left because of this or went to fresh water.
Fish prices have risen with the shutdown in Hawaii.
Coral prices have risen since Indonesia ban.
Equipment prices still rising. Look at how controllers prices have risen. The cheapest now is the same price of the most expensive was just a few years ago. We lost DA Reefkeeper lite, Apex JR. and Apex lite. Yea it is just a example, you do not need a controller and yeas most prices rise. Prices of led light fixtures is huge. I just saw even the prices of like Jebao Pumps is rising like a third or something crazy because of the tariffs. I do not use them but their goes the cheap alternative.



I think coral prices are rising so much I think trading will become very popular soon. Reefclubs will come the thing again like they were for a while.

I think DYI is going to get popular again. We used to even make our own skimmers.


Lack of diversity. I know the stores around here carry allot less fish and coral. One it is harder to get since the bans but also it costs them more to get because wholesale cost have gone up. It is a risk to have more fish and it cost more if they die. The quality of fish has gone down since the ban in Hawaii too making it even a bigger risk. So the less the stores carry there is less to entice people to the hobby or keep some from getting bored. Even I go to the LFS less. I see so little new there and so few fish. I used to try and make the rounds every few weeks to see what is new.


I know a few left recently and it is just a few that think we are doing harm to the environment and have left.



I actually think the hobby may be shrinking now.. I would not have not said that a few years ago but look at forum traffic. Man There was a ton of forums before and RC so busy. I know there is competition from social media too and some private forums.

The turn over in the hobby started increasing I would guess about 15 years ago but even though more were leaving more were coming into the hobby. feels like the hobby maybe getting smaller.
 
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I'm still here because my expectations are low:). Set the bar low and you'll hit it every time. I've been playing with fish in tanks since around 1980 and had SW during the mid 80's and started reefing in 2000.

Considering my current tank is in a wall and another part of kitchen cabinetry....it would require a bunch of tear down and rebuild when I exit. I've settled on a 29 gal softy/LPS tank. I started with a 38 which rocked for two years, upgraded to a 55 which melted during a heat wave, recycled what I could....brown button palys and green striped mushrooms are still with me 16 years later. Upgraded to a 65 gallon, but that was too much upkeep, downgraded to 29 wall tank in 2010. It's had it's share of issues, GHA, heat issues, lack of maintenance.

I came back into the online forums a few years ago. A local reef forum disbanded and I found this place with the modern trends and inspiring tanks. I've gotten back into the regularity of reef life and my tank is doing better because of it. I don't do SPS, my conditions aren't suited(yet) for them and may never really want to invest the time and energy for them. I probably would never completely leave the hobby due to boredom, if I did something different with my tank it would either be a Carribean themed tank or make the plunge into SPS.

I'm actually considering a yellow tail damsel as my next fish! More than likely the only fish.
 
Champagne dreams with miller high life budget and expectations vs reality. All these pics of gorgeous sps, apex controlled, and immaculate sapphire glass tanks hide the true struggles. Years of work look like a week on a lot of build threads.

If you don't research you'll lose your shirt funding a sw tank.
 
Nice old thread.. but let me give you a different perspective. I’m a return to the hobby guy. I left the hobby because I was younger, had a child, had a job that kept me moving. Lets be honest, reefing needs stability of all kinds. So when life finally got stable for me I started looking at rejoining the fold. Now that I’m older, money isn’t as much an issue and I have time to dedicate to this.. things will be different.
 
Ill make it short. This hobby tests peoples patience to an extreme and its especially worse if you have money to throw at it.

The most successful reefers i know either dont have much money and had to do everything slow or had money and where patient as hell. Quarantine buy things slowly let things settle buy equipment slowly make changes slowly keep things scheduled etc lol.

PATIENCE is reefing,
 
It is the nature of most hobbies...People get into things, do it for awhile, loose interest and get out...lather, rinse repeat....
 
It's a hobby which mean eventually u will get bore. I thought I never quit golf but I did cause it's not interested me anymore. A lot say that reef is expensive now a day but I see it differently. Where I live which is California reefer post for free almost everything from Coral to dry good. Lol if you want a basic mix reef tank u can get it for free if u willing to travel and pick up. Certain corals are free now like Xenia, GSP, leather Coral, even zoa. Sps frags are selling for 5$ 10$ and u have to give discount to sell. People quit is either they get bore or they get frustrated
 
It takes real dedication to keep and maintain a salt water tank regardless of what you have in it. It's a fairly expensive hobby. And it takes knowledge about a lot of things. Like the one fish said to the other, there must be a God someone changes the water. That is us. I have had salt water tanks going since the 1980's. My current 90 gal with 40 gal sump is an evolution from the 40 gal that had been operating for 10+ years. Some of my live rocks I have had for 30+ years. The family of bristle worms in my tank have been with me a good portion of those years. Fish come and go. Worms are forever. I made my new tank into a coral and invertebrate tank. Lots of soft corals. handful of fish. Dealing with a cynobacteria issue right now. About ready to hit the tank with Chemiclean and hope for the best.
 
I want to leave. I've lost most everything coral wise. I have very little left. My fish and inverts are doing great though so there's that. The amount of money I've lost and things I've killed makes me want to puke at times. I could have had a fully forged 500hp EJ in my STI for all the money I've sank. :(
 
Very interesting read! I won’t be popular for saying this, but i suspect a large portion of people who leave the hobby do so because it was purchased as a bit of a whim - and then were in over their heads. Why won’t I be popular? Because I’m one of those people (although I won’t give up!). I probably did everything wrong - I didn’t do my homework, didn’t do much research, and dove right in. I didn’t realize how much time, effort, money, heart break, head aches, sweat and tears I’d have to invest. I can totally see how someone like me would give up (but not me as I won’t) :)
 
There are many reasons - cost, frustration, personal issues, moving, health etc.. the list goes on... It's a "hobby" - it's a "non essential" in the true meaning of the word hobby even though the majority of us are passionate about our tanks.

IE: a friend of mine who's been in the hobby for 30+ years just shut down 4 tanks due to the mis-leading info from manufacturers about compatibility. He was HEAVILY invested in Neptune Apex gear ($20K deep) and he got tired of their "lip service" everytime something decided to shut off - on it's own. His quote "it was like paying for partial electricity to your home." Overall he was tired of the "jankiness" of the Apex gear. He still has one tank but it's nothing but simple basic equipment and he's much happier because "it's predictable".
 
I’m sorry but I believe you assume too much. There may be tons of information out there, yes, but that does not alleviate how difficult the hobby really is for beginners.
Plus, you kind of contradicted yourself with mentioning the abundance of disease threads. i.e difficulty of hobby.

I understand your point of view being a pioneer of the hobby! “How difficult it must have been!”

Thanks for your contribution to the hobby and many more continued years of reefing!
 
I have had tanks of one kind or another for sixty years with the exception of twelve years I spent on my education. Like Paul I have always found something new to be interested in in the hobby. I think a large percentage of the people who leave the hobby early do so because their original motivation was to have something pretty in their house. When they start to realize how much, time dedication, knowledge and money it takes to have that “pretty tank” they get discouraged and quit
 
I think some get tired of people making up these BS names for corals and charging outrageous prices
I'll never buy some designer coral for stupid prices
 
Unfortunate but clear-
Many too eager to fill the system with life and overlooking the required patience necessary. Additionally, overcome by failure and loss of specimens looking at the monetary side of it and assuming this will be a trend.

PEOPLE WHO FAIL TO PLAN . . . . -PLAN TO FAIL " Many do not plan and assume it will be like freshwater with a couple pieces of extra equipment. You get out of a marine aquarium, what you put into it. There is nothing fast about saltwater systems and IMPULSE is the worst enemy when it comes to marine aquaria.
 
Life gets in the way, temporarily but, necessary
 
You can't just buy a reef tank. Need to understand everything from system design, QT, plumbing, drains, water condition, levels, products (which ones work and how to use them), coral pest, coral requirements, fish sickness, product selection. Then wade thru all the bad advice, marketing and algae. Everyone has a different level of what they can handle. Have to understand yourself and how much money you want to spend.
 
Most people don’t agree with this but it all comes down to one factor: money.
In this hobby especially with the equipment available, there is nothing money can’t resolve. The most extreme examples are the restaurant with aquariums that have dedicated professionals to maintain. It obviously is very expensive but get a reef tank setup and running is not that difficult if you are willing to burn cash.
 

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