Why so hard?

[Waynerock]

I still have not seen a FTS from the OP. I want to see this super easy tank. Here is mine. I work hard to maintain it. It’s not much and it’s not easy. If it was easy I would of quit years ago. Bragging about your tank being super easy and you don’t have to do anything to it seems like a good way to upset the reef gods. Karma is a you know what!! Good luck. Personally if all this was a breeze I would be bored as hell.

 

[WVNed]

`I use the holistic natural fully mechanized technologically complex simple approach myself.

 

[monkeyCmonkeyDo]

 

[ZoWhat]

No, no, no. I'm not a Marine Biologist.... but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night

 

[Sump Crab]

Clearly, you are unaware of the proper wording needed to post your opinion in a way that does not produce an unintended reaction.

Based on this post alone, I could say that this is exactly what I have done. I used established dry rock. You could call it "live", to seed all of my tanks. I got all of the benefits of the bacterial colonies needed to skip cycle my tanks, with zero eco-footprint.

My tanks all use dry rock that has been seeded from those same 2 pieces of established dry rock.

I’m sorry but I don’t even know how to respond to you.

 

[Sump Crab]

I still have not seen a FTS from the OP. I want to see this super easy tank. Here is mine. I work hard to maintain it. It’s not much and it’s not easy. If it was easy I would of quit years ago. Bragging about your tank being super easy and you don’t have to do anything to it seems like a good way to upset the reef gods. Karma is a you know what!! Good luck. Personally if all this was a breeze I would be bored as hell.

man the hostility is real tonight! I don’t have a current FTS as my lights are off but I’ll post one tomorrow if you want.

 

[Sump Crab]

No, no, no. I'm not a Marine Biologist.... but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night

I thought I gave you a thoughtful response. Thanks for reciprocating!

 

[Jedi1199]

I’m sorry but I don’t even know how to respond to you. Is English your second language or something? Or are you being dense just to be a troll? I’m having a hard time getting a proper read on you.

Do not attempt to insult me here. NOBODY with any prior knowledge of me will buy it. Apparently, your limited perspicacity does not allow you to comprehend when someone is attempting to acknowledge your veiwpoint and further validate it with their own experience.

 

[Sump Crab]

Do not attempt to insult me here. NOBODY with any prior knowledge of me will buy it. Apparently, your limited perspicacity does not allow you to comprehend when someone is attempting to acknowledge your veiwpoint and further validate it with their own experience.

Ya man, I’m just totally confused by your responses. Sorry.

 

[Koh23]

I believe most of the failures from new hobbyists come from rushing into things.

So right, in so many ways...

Rushing into everyrhing, and, what i find fascinating, one day some coral is 0.34% less open, and without thinking, lets dose this, lets change that, i have to try this or that product....

Nothing good happens fast, but also, nothing bad... Signs are there, most people just ignore them, and then when problem is evident, rush into buying 50$ mirracles in bottles...

Also, sooo much small tanks in circulation, without proper knowledge or skills how fragile is system in 5-10g of water.....

People with larger tanks can throw dead pig inside, and still have time to fix everything untill large volume of water gets affected.....

In small systems, dead crab, shrimp or something can be point of no return.....

 

[Waynerock]

man the hostility is real tonight! I don’t have a current FTS as my lights are off but I’ll post one tomorrow if you want.

Looks good!! Sweet bounce love the colors…where the acros at? It’s all easy with softy’s. And I agree a tank that is mature with softy’s should be on cruise control and super easy. I just don’t want people to get the wrong idea. It IS a lot of work like everyday but eventually you get to the point at the 2-3 year mark where you can sit back and chill but you got to put the work in before. I am sure there were some points in your tank where it was hard work and stress and not everything went perfectly. I am not trying to sound like I am attacking but let’s be real, it’s not easy at first and we don’t want people just getting into the hobby to think that. It takes hard work or an insane amount of luck to not have to do the work and have everything fall into place perfectly. Or just pay someone to do the BS for you

 

[nereefpat]

Just LPS and softies for me. Only ever tried one birds nest frag back around 2009. SPS just don’t do it for me. No dosing what so ever.

Nothing wrong with that. Keep what you like. My 90 gallon was LPS and leathers, and it looked really nice...probably better than my current tank. It was nothing but powerheads, live rock from Fiji, sand, hang-on-tank skimmer, and 10 gallon water changes.

I definitely am on board with live rock, water changes, keeping things simple, and using less 'additives'.

 

[SlugSnorter]

I just don’t understand why people seem to think a reef is a ton of work? All I do is clean the glass, feed the fish, top off ato 2 times a month, and do a 5 gallon water change once a month.

What’s all this about tons of work and time to keep a tank from going sideways? Is it because people are not using real live rock from the ocean? Is it because they are constantly trying to prop up a broken ecosystem due to their anti “pest” protocols? Just wondering what the deal is and please pardon my ignorance. Thanks!

sometimes we encounter issues, the hobby has many moving parts and can be hard at times, especially with smaller tanks, once you get over the initial slump and learning curve, it gets much easier.

 

[Sump Crab]

Looks good!! Sweet bounce love the colors…where the acros at? It’s all easy with softy’s. And I agree a tank that is mature with softy’s should be on cruise control and super easy. I just don’t want people to get the wrong idea. It IS a lot of work like everyday but eventually you get to the point at the 2-3 year mark where you can sit back and chill but you got to put the work in before. I am sure there were some points in your tank where it was hard work and stress and not everything went perfectly. I am not trying to sound like I am attacking but let’s be real, it’s not easy at first and we don’t want people just getting into the hobby to think that. It takes hard work or an insane amount of luck to not have to do the work and have everything fall into place perfectly. Or just pay someone to do the BS for you

I’ve never had any interest in sticks. They just don’t do it for me. This tank is less than a year old. My build has the info from the start. I literally started over to prove my point that starting a reef with real live rock is super easy. 0 problems, easy from the get go.

I definitely agree that sticks are more difficult to care for and I even compared a softy tank to a canoe and a stick specific tank to a motor boat when considering maintenance.

All I’m saying is that a tank can be super easy from the very beginning if you use live rock from the ocean and don’t dump in a ton of chemicals, and of course coral choice matters as well.

Its honestly hard to believe how many people have their feelings hurt when I point out the advantages to a low maintenance, live rock, ecosystem centric style of reef.

 

[SlugSnorter]

I’ve never had any interest in sticks. They just don’t do it for me. This tank is less than a year old. My build has the info from the start. I literally started over to prove my point that starting a reef with real live rock is super easy. 0 problems, easy from the get go.

I definitely agree that sticks are more difficult to care for and I even compared a softy tank to a canoe and a stick specific tank to a motor boat when considering maintenance.

All I’m saying is that a tank can be super easy from the very beginning if you use live rock from the ocean and don’t dump in a ton of chemicals, and of course coral choice matters as well.

Its honestly hard to believe how many people have their feelings hurt when I point out the advantages to a low maintenance, live rock, ecosystem centric style of reef.

easy unless you get hit by some disease, bad pests, pest algae that overtakes the liverock, or heater/pump failure, tank nukes, toxic flatworms, etc. The hobby can be hard. Some people just get unlucky, even with the best starts possible.

 

[livinlifeinBKK]

I’ve never had any interest in sticks. They just don’t do it for me. This tank is less than a year old. My build has the info from the start. I literally started over to prove my point that starting a reef with real live rock is super easy. 0 problems, easy from the get go.

I definitely agree that sticks are more difficult to care for and I even compared a softy tank to a canoe and a stick specific tank to a motor boat when considering maintenance.

All I’m saying is that a tank can be super easy from the very beginning if you use live rock from the ocean and don’t dump in a ton of chemicals, and of course coral choice matters as well.

Its honestly hard to believe how many people have their feelings hurt when I point out the advantages to a low maintenance, live rock, ecosystem centric style of reef.

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I’ve never had any interest in sticks. They just don’t do it for me. This tank is less than a year old. My build has the info from the start. I literally started over to prove my point that starting a reef with real live rock is super easy. 0 problems, easy from the get go.

I definitely agree that sticks are more difficult to care for and I even compared a softy tank to a canoe and a stick specific tank to a motor boat when considering maintenance.

All I’m saying is that a tank can be super easy from the very beginning if you use live rock from the ocean and don’t dump in a ton of chemicals, and of course coral choice matters as well.

Its honestly hard to believe how many people have their feelings hurt when I point out the advantages to a low maintenance, live rock, ecosystem centric style of reef.

I'm all about live rock and a natural approach too but the way you're saying things almost makes it sound like you're looking down on those who have had a more difficult time and rub it in their faces

 

[SlugSnorter]

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I'm all about live rock and a natural approach too but the way you're saying things almost makes it sound like you're looking down on those who have had a more difficult time and rub it in their faces

exactly, I get "I BoUghT LiVE RoCk aNd GoT lUckY, ThE HobYY is NeveR hArd" vibes from this

 

[Sump Crab]

Nothing wrong with that. Keep what you like. My 90 gallon was LPS and leathers, and it looked really nice...probably better than my current tank. It was nothing but powerheads, live rock from Fiji, sand, hang-on-tank skimmer, and 10 gallon water changes.

I definitely am on board with live rock, water changes, keeping things simple, and using less 'additives'.

I think a lot of new people believe the only way to run a tank is like a WWC acro super technical build. They think you need to spend a ton of money on crazy equipment and that you need to dose all sorts of chemicals and constantly run a QT tank for everything that goes into your reef. That style of complicated and high maintenance reef is great and provides a very beautiful tank for those patient and diligent enough to care for one.

Judging by the amount of threads on here titled something a long the lines of “I’m about the quit the hobby” because of maintenance issues, algae issues, disease, etc. I think it’s important that people out there know that there is an easier, basically fool proof way to have a beautiful tank that’s super easy to look after.

 

[Sump Crab]

exactly, I get "I BoUghT LiVE RoCk aNd GoT lUckY, ThE HobYY is NeveR hArd" vibes from this

If you feel like that then I assume you may have an inferiority complex.

I gotta say I hate the “he is just lucky” sentiment though. If I’ve been at this for almost 20 years at what point can my style of reefing be considered valid and not lucky lol?

 

[Sump Crab]

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I'm all about live rock and a natural approach too but the way you're saying things almost makes it sound like you're looking down on those who have had a more difficult time and rub it in their faces

I definitely have a problem with the techniques and styles that the reefing industry is pushing onto people in an attempt to make a ton of money off them. People need to know that there’s an easier, less expensive way. I definitely do not have a problem with people who took on poor advice from the Industry which led to disastrous tanks and ppl quitting.