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Anyone need sponge ?

they say it’s good . But for something to grow faster than any coral I’ve ever owned .
I always thought nothing good happens fast ?

Is it actually good to have ? Seams extremely bright after lights out .

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I’ve been told the same for years but I really wish something would at least pick at it .
keep it a little under control .
this stuff is competing for a growth race with my Xenia .

already passed gsp
It is fine and usually prefers low light areas. I have a ton in my 180 and have 0 issues with it.
 
I’ve never had any noticeable issues these same rocks were the rocks I started the 75 gal About 15 years ago .

they have been part of every upgrade system
Same with mine. Some of the rocks have had the sponge for over 30 years lol. I keep some very sensitive critters in my tanks, so if it was an issue, it would be removed

Just a bit of it for example lol.

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Yellow sponges in general are not good. They release toxins..
While I’ve read some sponges can release toxins . I’m curious if there is something such as being exposed to air or critters picking at it that causes them to release toxins .
Are these toxins bad for corals or fish ?
 
To the people getting these cool sponges @Rmckoy @Eagle_Steve

Do you guys dose trace elements? Phytoplankton dose? Carbon dose? Feed a lot? What do you think contributes to your sponge growth?
 
To the people getting these cool sponges @Rmckoy @Eagle_Steve

Do you guys dose trace elements? Phytoplankton dose? Carbon dose? Feed a lot? What do you think contributes to your sponge growth?
This sponge has been here for years .
In the first system I had this stuff in a bottle with a glass dropper inside .
It was for sponges . But can’t remember the same .
I haven’t used it for years .
I have carbon dosed and dosed phyto years ago .
 
To the people getting these cool sponges @Rmckoy @Eagle_Steve

Do you guys dose trace elements? Phytoplankton dose? Carbon dose? Feed a lot? What do you think contributes to your sponge growth?
If there wasn’t a border and shipping restrictions I would send some your way .
 
A bunch of pitho crabs might help keep under control
Got any angel fish? . I think I read somewhere that hydrogen peroxide injected into them kills them but don’t quote me on that .
 
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This sponge has been here for years .
In the first system I had this stuff in a bottle with a glass dropper inside .
It was for sponges . But can’t remember the same .
I haven’t used it for years .
I have carbon dosed and dosed phyto years ago .
So you haven’t carbon/phyto dosed, and you don’t dose silica (sponge excel by brightwell)

So basically it just grows on its own!
 
So you haven’t carbon/phyto dosed, and you don’t dose silica (sponge excel by brightwell)

So basically it just grows on its own!
Same here. No carbon dosing, but I dose phyto. Mostly for nps corals, and not dosed in previous tanks with the sponges.

I do dose no3 and po4 as it will bottom out. Even feeding 6 times a day and all tanks are “overstocked”. I attribute that to really old real live rocks (Fiji, Marshall Islands, etc.) and a massive macro display fuge.
 
While I’ve read some sponges can release toxins . I’m curious if there is something such as being exposed to air or critters picking at it that causes them to release toxins .
Are these toxins bad for corals or fish ?
I have heard that sponges create toxins to compete against corals for space in nature, though I have never heard reports of these toxins specifically causing issues in marine tanks (though there certainly are very rare reports of sponges smothering corals). There is anecdotal evidence that picking at the sponges might cause them to release their toxins.
 
While I’ve read some sponges can release toxins . I’m curious if there is something such as being exposed to air or critters picking at it that causes them to release toxins .
Are these toxins bad for corals or fish ?
To preface this, I’m not an expert - I’ve been doing a lot of reading up sponges, but I’m not an expert. So, with that out of the way, I know this is vague and somewhat unhelpful, but it depends on the sponge.

Some sponges are highly toxic, some moderately toxic, some mildly toxic, and some not toxic at all. Generally speaking though, sponges produce toxins to avoid predation and/or parasites, or (like some corals) as a form of chemical warfare to compete for territory. With these toxins, some of them are specifically anti-fish, some anti-echinoderm, some anti-parasite, some anti-coral, etc. As I understand it, some of these toxins are deadly to other marine species, and some just make the sponge taste bad or be less preferred by predators.

To address your actual questions now, though, some sponges constantly put out toxins (I know this one has been demonstrated), I’ve heard but can’t at this moment confirm that some might only put out toxins if disturbed/threatened (as you suggested in your post) and some might only be toxic if eaten (this one I find highly likely, but, again, I can’t confirm it at present), and - as mentioned above - some species aren’t toxic at all, so they don’t put out toxins period.

Whether or not a sponge’s toxins are harmful to fish, corals, etc. is - as I hinted at above - dependent on the toxins produced by the sponge and the quantity produced. To give an idea here, sea cucumber toxins (known as holothurin) are ichthyotoxins, meaning they are primarily toxic to fish. So, if a sea cucumber releases their toxins into a tank at a low dose, the fish in the tank will likely suffer (and possibly die) even though the amount of toxin is small, but other inhabitants will likely be unaffected. At a high dosage, however, these other inhabitants may suffer (and/or die) as well.

So, if a sponge produces fish or coral specific toxins, those may suffer or die even if the amount of toxin produced is small. Similarly, if the toxin produced is not a coral or fish specific toxin but the sponge produces a large amount of it, those might still suffer or die regardless.

I’ve never heard of a fish dying from just swimming by a toxic sponge (I’ve only heard of fish dying from eating highly toxic sponges in a laboratory, force-feeding setting at the moment), so I would assume that sponge toxicity is not a big concern under normal circumstances. If you happen to have a highly toxic (either in potency or quantity) sponge that is not being eaten, however, I suppose it’s possible it could pose some health concerns for your tank’s inhabitants, particularly if you don’t do regular water changes or run carbon.

Now, all of that said, I would guess that, in most circumstances, sponges in our tanks are probably either mildly toxic (probably edible but not preferred as a food) or only seriously toxic when consumed (and most tank inhabitants, being chemically sensitive, would likely know better than to eat highly toxic sponges). So, I would guess that in the overwhelming majority of cases, the sponges in our tanks are essentially perfectly reef safe and harmless (though, much like many soft corals, I suspect they would engage in manageable levels of chemical warfare for space in the tank - in that regard I guess you could argue that they are detrimental to corals). This is just a guess, but - like WheatToast - I’ve never heard of a sponge’s toxins causing issues in a tank.

Also, for anyone who’s interested, only a handful of sponges are really considered toxic to humans - they basically give an itchy, painful, swollen rash when touched (contact dermatitis), usually a few hours to days after the contact is made.
 
Anyone need sponge ?
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I'd take it, if I were closer (but looks like we're about as far apart as possible on the same continent).

Trying my first Fromia (sp.) star and have read they're difficult to keep (nutritionally) but enjoy sponges.

I'm getting some pineapple sponges in one zoa patch over and over but they're pretty tucked inside polyps on dark, unreachable sides of rocks so....
 
A bunch of pitho crabs might help keep under control
Got any angel fish? . I think I read somewhere that hydrogen peroxide injected into them kills them but don’t quote me on that .
I have a juv emperor , he picks at it but not enough to control it
 
I'd take it, if I were closer (but looks like we're about as far apart as possible on the same continent).

Trying my first Fromia (sp.) star and have read they're difficult to keep (nutritionally) but enjoy sponges.

I'm getting some pineapple sponges in one zoa patch over and over but they're pretty tucked inside polyps on dark, unreachable sides of rocks so....
You’re probably correct .
as far away as possible on the same continent
 

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