Your Devil of the hobby?

[A Young Reefer]

Godless environmental do-gooders that try to save the planet for future generations by banning collection of rocks, corals and fish, and soon pets and food animals, fossil fuels and corn sugar, not to mention proper pronouns and such.

Totally agreed, animals do belong in nature. However their natural habitats are disappearing quicker than we think. I have witnessed it with my own eyes, there was this small island I used to go scuba diving around it had black tip reef sharks, sea turtles, angel fish, cuttlefish etc… after three years I visited the place again and I barely saw anything.
Even Heiko Bleher a famous researcher that discovered over 7000 freshwater fish species clearly says that; “today the only way to protect a fish is the same way to protect any animal on this planet, an animal in a zoo has a future in nature not anymore, not at all”.
I would suggest these “do-Gooders” to use that effort to end world famine and reconsider their priorities.

Please note: that I do not encourage the removal of animals from their natural habitats, but I am afraid that sometimes it might be the only way to insure their existence.

 

[i cant think]

Their need to control the outcome (for good) considers that we don’t know what safe levels of harvest might be so they decide to not risk any harvest because they know best. Not to mention that keeping animals is as cruel as slavery for some…

Fair enough, but you still have the fishing industry taking a lot more fish out of the ocean than this hobby does in a year.

 

[i cant think]

Totally agreed, animals do belong in nature. However their natural habitats are disappearing quicker than we think. I have witnessed it with my own eyes, there was this small island I used to go scuba diving around it had black tip reef sharks, sea turtles, angel fish, cuttlefish etc… after three years I visited the place again and I barely saw anything.
Even Heiko Bleher a famous researcher that discovered over 7000 freshwater fish species clearly says that; “today the only way to protect a fish is the same way to protect any animal on this planet, an animal in a zoo has a future in nature not anymore, not at all”.
I would suggest these “do-Gooders” to use that effort to end world famine and reconsider their priorities.

Please note: that I do not encourage the removal of animals from their natural habitats, but I am afraid that sometimes it might be the only way to insure their existence.

Wow, in 3 years pretty much an entire habitat vanished? This just shows how fast climate change, overfishing and pollution can and will affect the oceans.

 

[KrisReef]

Totally agreed, animals do belong in nature. However their natural habitats are disappearing quicker than we think. I have witnessed it with my own eyes, there was this small island I used to go scuba diving around it had black tip reef sharks, sea turtles, angel fish, cuttlefish etc… after three years I visited the place again and I barely saw anything.
Even Heiko Bleher a famous researcher that discovered over 7000 freshwater fish species clearly says that; “today the only way to protect a fish is the same way to protect any animal on this planet, an animal in a zoo has a future in nature not anymore, not at all”.
I would suggest these “do-Gooders” to use that effort to end world famine and reconsider their priorities.

Please note: that I do not encourage the removal of animals from their natural habitats, but I am afraid that sometimes it might be the only way to insure their existence.

Hurricanes can destroy a reef and remove everything that we value and it takes years to recover. Places with frequent enough storms probably rarely grow so that they have a climax community. It's the places that have been storm free for decades that get wiped out.

We get it people ...you don't like being told to think about a timescale longer than your own. Every thread this somehow pops up lol

The disappointments I have observed are not unique to my "timescale" and I don't presume that I can comprehend eternity and fix it from my point of view. That would require effort that is outside of our percieved abilities but not everyone seems to think that, lol.

 

[Wasabiroot]

Unfortunately, hurricanes are likely to increase in intensity and frequency, so even if they were the only source of reef damage (they're clearly not) there's likely to be more of that.

I think there's a big difference between saying "hey, try captive bred" and " I can see the future millenia ahead". I can certainly understand frustration with perceived meddling in our hobby, but humans are destructive and often prioritize short term gain over long term discomfort for the better. That's really what I mean. And while I don't want all livestock banned, maybe that's what the world will be like in a hundred years. Most widely accepted views started out as fringe ones. No disrespect intended though.

I also think humans are smarter than you're giving credit for. Maybe right now we can't snap our fingers, but that doesn't mean accumulated knowledge down the line won't bring things to a better place.

 

[shakacuz]

bryopsis and turf algae. both almost had me at my wits end. currently, its metals showing up in my ICP results. has lowered due to polyfilter/new chemi pure blue(should've gotten elite..).

 

[A Young Reefer]

Hurricanes can destroy a reef and remove everything that we value and it takes years to recover. Places with frequent enough storms probably rarely grow so that they have a climax community. It's the places that have been storm free for decades that get wiped out.

The disappointments I have observed are not unique to my "timescale" and I don't presume that I can comprehend eternity and fix it from my point of view. That would require effort that is outside of our percieved abilities but not everyone seems to think that, lol.

We must be able to differentiate between natural causes of disaster and man made causes. Hurricanes have been here for millions of years and no one could intervene, yet animals were able to adapt and survive these conditions.
I had countless people telling me “dw corals will adapt to high temperatures”. Well it might be true however in order for adaptation to happen it needs long long periods of time and gradual changes.
if we keep wiping out reefs at this rate… nothing will have the chance to even consider adapting, if it was possible anyways.

 

[LiveFreeAndReef]

Dinos! :mad:

 

[KrisReef]

Unfortunately, hurricanes are likely to increase in intensity and frequency, so even if they were the only source of reef damage (they're clearly not) there's likely to be more of that.

I think there's a big difference between saying "hey, try captive bred" and " I can see the future millenia ahead". I can certainly understand frustration with perceived meddling in our hobby, but humans are destructive and often prioritize short term gain over long term discomfort for the better. That's really what I mean. And while I don't want all livestock banned, maybe that's what the world will be like in a hundred years. Most widely accepted views started out as fringe ones. No disrespect intended though.

I also think humans are smarter than you're giving credit for. Maybe right now we can't snap our fingers, but that doesn't mean accumulated knowledge down the line won't bring things to a better place.

Well done. I agree with much of your discussion, and sadly civilization has to set limits to avoid over harvesting, stealing and other stuff that people do.

 

[KrisReef]

We must be able to differentiate between natural causes of disaster and man made causes. Hurricanes have been here for millions of years and no one could intervene, yet animals were able to adapt and survive these conditions.
I had countless people telling me “dw corals will adapt to high temperatures”. Well it might be true however in order for adaptation to happen it needs long long periods of time and gradual changes.
if we keep wiping out reefs at this rate… nothing will have the chance to even consider adapting, if it was possible anyways.

Yup, people can and do modify the environment. I think we have modified the topic of this thread, hopefully the impacts will be positive for our captive reefs.

I am convinced that our hobby has advanced human knowledge and appreciation of the complex reef ecosystem and habitats that exist in earth’s oceans. I’m also concerned that governments will outlaw this hobby and that action will slow down the learning and awareness of the reefs. I believe civilization needs to be cleaner for the good of all species and we do more damage with our water use practices to “threaten the earth” than we do with fossil fuel impacts or hobby harvesting specimens ever could.
certainly that’s another unpopular topic and I am way over the limit before I posted this.

Ignorance is the devil for the hobby, god help us to overcome it.

 

[RichReef]

4 inch filter sock holes in sumps. I smashed that sump into a million pieces. That devil is history.

That's all I have to say about that.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Devil a few years ago was a peacock mantis shrimp and never want a bobbit worm

 

[SHINYSuccubus]

a red wrasse (i don’t remember the exact type, been a few years) that terrorized my tank for two years until a heater disaster - never thought i’d be grateful for one of *those* ! the only thing that died was the killer wrasse, i couldn’t believe my luck.

 

[LPS Bum]

We all have something that we have battled and either won the battle but with great cost or we have lost. What’s the one thing you have faced and pray to never face again?
this could be anything from algae, pests, corals, fish to additives.
mine is red turf algae. I am convinced that this stuff is sent from hell, it survived two days in a citric acid bath, removing it from your equipment is harder than removing it from your rock work.

Marine Velvet. Many years ago it wiped out thousands of dollars worth of fish in my FOWLR. Heartbreaking.

Since then every single fish has been through my QT, and I’ve never had that problem again.

 

[ZoWhat]

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once you got 'em, impossible to rid the tank without a complete cooking of the LR

 

[BillFish Coral Lover]

Ostreopsis Ovata- or anything like it. Sigh.

 

[Clamagra]

Valonia. Pain in the butt, grows quick, gets in pumps and small crevices, not as much cleanup crew eats it. Urchins have done great work for me, though.

Reef safe urchins?

 

[periocillin]

euplica and mexican snails

 

[davelen]

We all have something that we have battled and either won the battle but with great cost or we have lost. What’s the one thing you have faced and pray to never face again?
this could be anything from algae, pests, corals, fish to additives.
mine is red turf algae. I am convinced that this stuff is sent from hell, it survived two days in a citric acid bath, removing it from your equipment is harder than removing it from your rock work.

aiptasia

 

[Wasabiroot]

Reef safe urchins?

Yes, tuxedo or short spine. They seem to eat everything else before it, but even the mechanical action of them grazing dislodges it.