120 Gallon Salty Condo

Rhino · Feb 8, 2013

schooleyosis said:
Since I've introduced the Kole Tang the Hippo Tang has shown some signs of what I thought was ich. As of the past few days most of the fish are showing some signs of ich or marine velvet, not sure which it is. They've all shown signs of it but were eating great so I wasn't too worried about it. The Kole ate really good last night and as of today at lunch it wouldn't touch any food and was swimming rather strange and keeping it's mouth open at all times. It was not breathing heavy or rapidly but could tell something was wrong. Well... Tonight it passed...

All the other fish are eating well but the Foxface and the Hippo Tang are being serviced by the 2 fire shrimp constantly. I've started dosing Microbe-Lift Herbtana so hopefully that will cure whatever else is in there.

Sad, sad day. I hope whatever it is doesn't wipe out my tank.

Man that sucks. Hope you get it all cleared up.

Ryan

schooleyosis · Feb 8, 2013

Thanks Ryan. I had a knot in my stomach all day knowing what was coming when I got home from work.

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Rhino · Feb 8, 2013

schooleyosis said:
Thanks Ryan. I had a knot in my stomach all day knowing what was coming when I got home from work.

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Man I can't even imagine. Especially with a such a nice tank with such beautiful fish. Do you qt?

Ryan

schooleyosis · Feb 8, 2013

I tried a QT once and almost killed the fish due to an ammonia spike. Since then I've been gun shy with a QT even though I know I should use one.
Thinkin of setting up my 20 long as a permanent QT that is always setup and running but is for new additions and maybe some macro algae all the time.
I did just remember my Ph had been fluctuating quite a bit a few weeks back due to running the fireplace. Wonder if that had anything to do with it.

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Rhino · Feb 8, 2013

schooleyosis said:
I tried a QT once and almost killed the fish due to an ammonia spike. Since then I've been gun shy with a QT even though I know I should use one.
Thinkin of setting up my 20 long as a permanent QT that is always setup and running but is for new additions and maybe some macro algae all the time.
I did just remember my Ph had been fluctuating quite a bit a few weeks back due to running the fireplace. Wonder if that had anything to do with it.

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Strange, I never would have thought a fireplace would effect a tank.

Ryan

schooleyosis · Feb 8, 2013

Yeah, I think the fire takes all the oxygen out of the air which drives the Ph low. I think between that and the Tangs toughing it out for who was boss stress it out. Time will only tell now. The big clown fish is acting funny acting like something is driving it crazy. Swimming around all fast and darting here and there. I think it might be next as I seen the Kole acting the same way the other day.

Dowtish · Feb 9, 2013

I hate to hear that man. Sorry for the loss. hopefully everyone else will be okay. Have you checked for stray voltage?

schooleyosis · Feb 9, 2013

Thanks Chris. I've checked it before and I saw a little voltage in the tank but could never narrow it down to one specific piece of equipment. It seemed like every item added a little voltage to the total. So I installed a ground probe and it lowered it significantly.
Then I read that ground probes can actually make it worse so I removed it. Not sure what to do???
After talking and researching I think it's Brooklynella not marine velvet. Anyone ever dealt with it?

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bknapp · Feb 9, 2013

Sorry for your loss Ryan, hope you can cure what ails your remaining fish.

schooleyosis · Feb 9, 2013

Thanks B. I hope so as well.

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Saltgator · Feb 12, 2013

Just had time to look thru your thread. Nice progress so far. It seems like the more ppl I see switched to LEDs got some sort of algae bloom. Maybe it's just the threads I'm reading. So sorry to hear about your fish troubles, I've been there. Keep your head up. I went thru back to back ICH outbreaks and my clowns developed some sort of bumps, lumps, who knows (never ID it). I never use to QT ANY fish, but learned the hard way, and had the same issues with Ammonia when I started. Now I've got a good grip on it as well as HYPO for my ICH. All will work out and your doing a great job. Looking forward to the progress.

schooleyosis · Feb 12, 2013

Thanks gator. I think between LED's and dry rock there are still a lot of things to learn for everyone as they are relatively "new" to the hobby.

Update:

As of last night the Foxface and the Blue Tang really don't have an appetite. The tang only came out for like 30 seconds to get a few pieces of food then right back into the cave where the shrimp hang out at. The foxface ate but not vorociously like it normally does. All the other fish seem to be eating normal. The clowns are now completely covered in whatever this is and almost have it flaking off of them. The Foxface's bumps are almost gone but you can still tell he's not 100%. Didn't really get a good look at the Tang but still looked the same as yesterday. For some reason the tang also likes to be tucked up next to one of the pumps. I thought for sure it was dead and the pump had just sucked it up but was just chillin' right up beside it. It has enough strength to swim and get away but has chosen to just stay there for minutes on end.

All the fish that have this worse than the others do this swim/dash technique like they are trying to get away from whatever is on them. None of them are breathing heavy or rapidly but all do this darting motion that I've never seen them do before. It's not at the same time either, so it's not stray voltage. The foxface has also been doing this zombie like motion where it just sits in the corner for a few minutes doing absolutely nothing then will just zoom off and act normal.

Not sure what's going on in there but this is rather frustrating. I dosed Herbtana again today which makes this day 5. Half-way through the 10 day directed dosing schedule. I thin I've got enough left for 2 days and the new bottles arrive Friday. Just in time, hope they are not late. Without the protein skimmer running the filter sock has started making the foam in it that I've been scooping out as much as I can. I am thinking of doing a 10 gallon WC on Friday just to help with water quality while the skimmer is offline but not sure if that will help or hurt the situation.

I'm not looking forward to going home tonight but fingers crossed all will be ok.

Saltgator · Feb 12, 2013

schooleyosis said:
Thanks gator. I think between LED's and dry rock there are still a lot of things to learn for everyone as they are relatively "new" to the hobby.

Update:

As of last night the Foxface and the Blue Tang really don't have an appetite. The tang only came out for like 30 seconds to get a few pieces of food then right back into the cave where the shrimp hang out at. The foxface ate but not vorociously like it normally does. All the other fish seem to be eating normal. The clowns are now completely covered in whatever this is and almost have it flaking off of them. The Foxface's bumps are almost gone but you can still tell he's not 100%. Didn't really get a good look at the Tang but still looked the same as yesterday. For some reason the tang also likes to be tucked up next to one of the pumps. I thought for sure it was dead and the pump had just sucked it up but was just chillin' right up beside it. It has enough strength to swim and get away but has chosen to just stay there for minutes on end.

All the fish that have this worse than the others do this swim/dash technique like they are trying to get away from whatever is on them. None of them are breathing heavy or rapidly but all do this darting motion that I've never seen them do before. It's not at the same time either, so it's not stray voltage. The foxface has also been doing this zombie like motion where it just sits in the corner for a few minutes doing absolutely nothing then will just zoom off and act normal.

Not sure what's going on in there but this is rather frustrating. I dosed Herbtana again today which makes this day 5. Half-way through the 10 day directed dosing schedule. I thin I've got enough left for 2 days and the new bottles arrive Friday. Just in time, hope they are not late. Without the protein skimmer running the filter sock has started making the foam in it that I've been scooping out as much as I can. I am thinking of doing a 10 gallon WC on Friday just to help with water quality while the skimmer is offline but not sure if that will help or hurt the situation.

I'm not looking forward to going home tonight but fingers crossed all will be ok.

Sorry for your troubles. Been there a time or many. Sounds like ICH, but not 100% sure. My tangs (showing signs or not) would hang out in front of any pump, yet never scratched. I've tried most remedies out there and hypo has been a proven factor at saving my fish. My regal even went thru hypo just because I had no extra QT and my DT needed to be fishless. Good luck and hoping for the best for you n your fish.

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schooleyosis · Feb 12, 2013

Thanks again Gator. I have no clue what disease is in there and no clue what to do or how to treat because I can't narrow down what it is. Moving forward a QT will be setup for all future inhabitants. Nothing is happening until I pass through this stage though. Hopefully all the fish will pull through soon.

schooleyosis · Feb 14, 2013

A Step In The Right Direction

Ok people, good update here.

All the fish are still covered in whatever it is but last night all the fish came out with some rather good anticipation of eating. Not once, but TWICE!!! The Blue Tang is even coming back out of the rock pile where it's been hiding the past week to show it's face for several minutes during the 2 feedings. Eagerly eating is a sign of progress in my opinion!

Let's hope all of them kick this crap soon! Dosed day 6 this morning and might have enough left to dose tomorrow. The new bottles are supposed to come tomorrow but we'll have to see.

Saltgator · Feb 14, 2013

schooleyosis said:
Ok people, good update here.

All the fish are still covered in whatever it is but last night all the fish came out with some rather good anticipation of eating. Not once, but TWICE!!! The Blue Tang is even coming back out of the rock pile where it's been hiding the past week to show it's face for several minutes during the 2 feedings. Eagerly eating is a sign of progress in my opinion!

Let's hope all of them kick this crap soon! Dosed day 6 this morning and might have enough left to dose tomorrow. The new bottles are supposed to come tomorrow but we'll have to see.