Almost everything died over night!!!
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Doubtful the guy from the wholesale place we go to showed him a blue ringed octopus and he wants it. I’m putting my foot down on this one. But hopefully death or the fear of it will help him not buy crazy stuff he shouldn’t have!
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My apologies for the language.
Ive been totally stressed since my BF brought home a 100g tank. It has if you haven't read been alot of arguments due to this new tank.
We are on our late 30's early 40's.
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hankacrank
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What LFS has been selling you these fish and advising you guys. Just curious. I hope they are being helpful and setting you up for success.
Sometimes people only learn the hard way. And sometimes, other people need to know when to step back and let said people learn the hard way.
My advice to you is to simply step back and let him learn his hard lessons. As long as you set boundaries, which it sounds like you have (he is not allowed to touch your tank), then let him own his mistakes.
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Only thing is that he might just go out and buy a blue ringed octopus which, if you don’t know what you are doing, is essentially like keeping a mine in the tank...a mine that great at escaping and wandering of in your house.
Not that it’s something inherently wrong with keeping a blue ringed, I’ve kept a bunch of highly venomous critters myself, but it requires a certain level of maturity and risk management.
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I would like to point out that this thread got judgmental and exclusionary quick.
I'd like to apologize to OP, this isn't how Reef 2 Reef generally behaves by any stretch of the imagination.
I'd like to apologize to OP, this isn't how Reef 2 Reef generally behaves by any stretch of the imagination.
Anthony Scholfield
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Here is my observation after reading this entire thing......OP says they have alot of experience keeping fish but make a post about everything dying overnight and not knowing what happened, knowing full well the fish and invert they are keeping together. Does this not seem ridiculous to anyone else? lol what a joke, quit playing along.
Wanted to say at the outset that an octopus is an incredible lifeform and is a lot of work to keep. But it is a highly intelligent and fascinating animal that definitely deserves it's own tank and specialized care.
I've kept an octopus twice, each one for about 6-9 months. Both were caught on a rocky shore in southern Japan. Sorry, I don't know the exact species as there several dozen species in the local waters, but definitely distant relations to the blue ringed octopus.
I never kept one through the winter and both times they were small when I caught them in the spring ... and rather large (although it's hard to judge) when they went back in the ocean in the fall.
Ok, getting to my point. In both cases, fish were definitely food. I would net some non-ornamental fish once a week and this was food for the octopus.
Dumping in a 5 gallon bucket with about a dozen small to medium fish resulted in all the fish being rapidly caught. I don't recall any time when it took the octopus more than 10 minutes to capture all the fish. The point being that an octopus has the capacity to capture and hold multiple fish all at the same time (and while all fish are bucking and struggling violently to get away).
I never saw either of my octopus let a fish go after catching it.. the evidence that there was ever any fish in the tank simply disappears.
This is the reason for my post. If PherFox could see "dead fish" in the tank, then it was likely not due to predation by the octopus.
I doubt the behavior of an octopus varies all that much across the genera. I'm certainly no expert, but from the behavior I witnessed, it was pretty clear that they just don't drop fish they have caught. They are more like an 8 armed pig in an apple tree.
I've kept an octopus twice, each one for about 6-9 months. Both were caught on a rocky shore in southern Japan. Sorry, I don't know the exact species as there several dozen species in the local waters, but definitely distant relations to the blue ringed octopus.
I never kept one through the winter and both times they were small when I caught them in the spring ... and rather large (although it's hard to judge) when they went back in the ocean in the fall.
Ok, getting to my point. In both cases, fish were definitely food. I would net some non-ornamental fish once a week and this was food for the octopus.
Dumping in a 5 gallon bucket with about a dozen small to medium fish resulted in all the fish being rapidly caught. I don't recall any time when it took the octopus more than 10 minutes to capture all the fish. The point being that an octopus has the capacity to capture and hold multiple fish all at the same time (and while all fish are bucking and struggling violently to get away).
I never saw either of my octopus let a fish go after catching it.. the evidence that there was ever any fish in the tank simply disappears.
This is the reason for my post. If PherFox could see "dead fish" in the tank, then it was likely not due to predation by the octopus.
I doubt the behavior of an octopus varies all that much across the genera. I'm certainly no expert, but from the behavior I witnessed, it was pretty clear that they just don't drop fish they have caught. They are more like an 8 armed pig in an apple tree.
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I'm conflicted. I feel really bad for OP on this thread if she's dealing with navigating this. But I'm also suspicious of the existence of this entire scenario as we haven't seen any photos of this 100g battle royale.
Wholes dealer called Harrys aquatics In California. As of March 1st I have left this situation as it has become unhealthy for me to continue a relationship with a person who doesn't listen amongst many other things.
So now I am in Orlando florida taking care of my parents amid this Covid crisis. No tank no return to LA any time soon. I'm disheartened and deeply saddened at the lose of my tank and fish and corals and having to leave them In LA. But as had been pointed out multiple times in multiple reply to this thread this is not a good situation.
Again I deeply appreciate all advice from everyone in thia forum. this tank situation really put serious perspective in my life.
