Am I crazy to consider switching to kalk??

I personally think you're crazy...whether you switch to kalk or not is irrelevant to that question... :p:eek::rolleyes:o_O
Okay, so for some of us we do everything the old fashion way. Such as no sump, refugium, reactors or top offs. I have 2 saltwater fish tanks for over 5yrs.
I just bought a 92g corner bow. Marine ready with sump. I don't understand what you mean by 2part or reactors. Could you explain this to me. I will ever setting my tank up next month.
Kathleen
 
Kathleen, unless you're intending to deck your tank out with acropora and montipora, you won't need any of the aforementioned pieces of equipment.

All of these products and maintenance methods are done with the goal of elevating and maintaining stable levels of calcium, carbonate, and bicarbonate in the water. Those elements are used by stony corals to build skeletons and grow. You need to supplement them once your growth rates of said corals reach a point to where they can deplete the amounts in the water to their own detriment without your intervention.

A Kalkwasser reactor is a slow mix of calcium hydroxide powder in water that is gradually added to the tank as water evaporates, which supplements those parameters

2 part dosing is done through slow flow dosing pumps on timers that slowly add calcium chloride and soda ash solution to the water to keep those parameters elevated

A calcium reactor is a reactor chamber which runs on a circulation continually and has pressurized co2 added to it. It dissolves dead coral skeletons and aragonite and drips it back into the tank to add those elements into the water.

Having those parameters elevated and stable (not rising and falling through the days, as in hoping large water changes will be enough) is key to having healthy stony corals.

Unless you're going to focus on those types of corals, salt water alone should supply ample calcium, carbonate, and bicarbonate for fish and mobile invertebrates and soft corals. Hope this helps. Not about being old school or new age. Calcium reactors and two part dosing have been done for decades. It's just about addressing the needs of your intended liveatock
 
Can someone explain how you need to test less with a calcium reactor vs. 2 part dosing? Does a reactor somehow target and stabilize at 8 alk? Honest question despite the sarcasm :)
 
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I've been using Ca reactors for close to 20 years. If you can make it fit in the budget a calcium reactor is the only way to go. Your basically recycling coral. All the properties and elements are present in the media usually in the right balanced concentration which dosing lacks. For High consumption aquariums in the long term they are very cheap and less headache than dosing. Just do it right though or you may be sorry.
A) I would not recommend them if the reaction chambers ph is not being monitored and I strongly recommend the co2 solenoid to be controlled by that monitor. ( if the ph in the reactor is above 6.7 it's barely dissolving anything. ) I run mine at a pH of 6.2-6.3
B) I would suggest also a fail safe to shut off the CO2 solenoid if the tanks pH drops below 8.1
C) I would strongly suggest a properly sized secondary chamber full of aragonite post reactor to elevate the ph back up. Commonly called a effluent chamber.
D) Use a reverse flow reactor to prevent channeling or clogging. (The water flows upward in the chamber)
E) Use quality media (they are only as good as what they are dissolving) and regulator, there are some garbage regulators, and reactors for that matter.
F) I'd still recommend testing all the levels weekly even after the reactor is dialed in. As the coral grow or more coral is added the consumption rates change and the output of the reactor needs to also mirror those changes. Also occasionally Alk, Ca, or Mg only supplementation may be necessary based on test results.
Can't beat them or the long term cost savings if done right. It's hard to argue or beat their effectiveness if they are understood.
 
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So I bring this question, who makes a reactor that I should consider? Ive always been a fan of Geo's Reef. Any others I should consider? I have a brand new milwaukee co2 regulator already so I am good to go on that part. As for the reactor I was looking at it is this one

http://geosreef.com/index.php/cr618

I do plan to upgrade to a 300DD sometime in the future. I think with displacement and such I still should be able to use this reactor. Or should I go bigger, Suggestions?
 
Ive used the MTC dual chamber Pro Cal for years with great success. The Precision Marine Reverse Flow, and have been very impressed with the Reef Octopus models. I'm currently running the 8" model with the 8" effluent chamber for the past 8 months and have been very impressed. (I'd strongly recommend using a second chamber to bring the ph back up, and not one the size of a soda can that I've seen marketed...that won't cut it)
I've discontinued the Milwaukee regulators a few years back after selling them for years and my customer return rate was 20% plus. And the bubble adjustment was very unreliable (Maybe they have fixed the issue) I am very impressed with the Aquarium Plants electronic regulator as well as their customer service. All of this I recommend controlling with an Apex or some sort of controller.
There are better models out there I'm sure but for the points in time that the models were in use they were good middle of the road choices based on price point for my target demographic I sale too. I have heard good on the Geos but have not yet personally played with it. Also if sump space allows its never bad idea to locate reactors etc in the sump just incase of a fitting leak etc. The more fail safes the better.
 
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No prob. Also be sure the reactor is justified. If the consumption of calcium, alk etc is not there it is easy to overdose. I usually recommend graduating to reactors after dosing becomes overbearing due to high consumption rates. You can always use the dosing machines for other additives once you graduate to a reactor so it's not money wasted.
 
Yea I'm dosing quite a bit. 275ml of alk and 265ml of calcium
 
I've been using Randys two part for years and dose just over 100mls a day. I'm currently using baking soda and Peladow........I've also used Dow Flake in the past.

Baking soda is 50 cents a pound........it costs approx 65 cents to make a gallon of the alk solution. Your current consumption would be about 2 gallons per 28 days if you use it & the concentration is the same as what you are using.

Calcium-- Peladow or Dow flake is $18 for 50 pounds. I haven't done the exact math on this one, but again, it's waaaay less expensive than using the commercial brands.

I used a Geo reactor for about 7 years before that and will never go back.
 
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Okay, so for some of us we do everything the old fashion way. Such as no sump, refugium, reactors or top offs. I have 2 saltwater fish tanks for over 5yrs.
I just bought a 92g corner bow. Marine ready with sump. I don't understand what you mean by 2part or reactors. Could you explain this to me. I will ever setting my tank up next month.
Kathleen


I detail the pros and cons of different methods of calcium and alkalinity supplementation here:

https://www.reef2reef.com/blog/the-many-methods-for-supplementing-calcium-and-alkalinity
 
Can someone explain how you need to test less with a calcium reactor vs. 2 part dosing? Does a reactor somehow target and stabilize at 8 alk? Honest question despite the sarcasm :)


You don't. But in reality, folks that use two parts seem to often be the same folks who like to dose uneven doses of the two parts and be constantly jiggering the doses to make everything perfect.

IMO, that just isn't necessary. Equal parts dosing will allow one to set the dose based on alk readings, and then only occassionally measure calcium and make a correction if needed.

FWIW, I use limewater, and I go years between measurements because I know my methods keep things fine for my tank. It is not, however, an SPS dominated tank with constantly changing demand.
 
The problem i run into is that my dosing pumps aren't perfectly equal. Not many are. Unless you're going to pay $400+ for a Neptune Dos, you'll have two equally rated pumps that don't run the exact same. It's subtle but enough to cause my calcium and alk balance deviate over time despite my dose program for both being the same
 
The problem i run into is that my dosing pumps aren't perfectly equal. Not many are. Unless you're going to pay $400+ for a Neptune Dos, you'll have two equally rated pumps that don't run the exact same. It's subtle but enough to cause my calcium and alk balance deviate over time despite my dose program for both being the same


Yes, I understand that and have no issue with that reason to uneven dose. :)
 
I'm still trying to figure out how to get my 2 part doses to even out. I dose twice as much alk and I'm getting ~9dkh and off scale on ca tests. Using Red Sea and Aiming for the Red Sea numbers. 12dkh/420ca.
 
I'm still trying to figure out how to get my 2 part doses to even out. I dose twice as much alk and I'm getting ~9dkh and off scale on ca tests. Using Red Sea and Aiming for the Red Sea numbers. 12dkh/420ca.

What salt mix? High calcium normally comes from salt mixes with excessive calcium.
 
Red Sea black. I've been thinking about switching to io. Mag is usually off the scale too.


How high is off the scale for calcium? You can always add more titrant to get to the endpoint.

Red Sea Coral pro should only have about 480 ppm of calcium at 35 ppt (based on their claims).

What is your salinity and how are you measuring it?o
 
Looks like I need to research an effluent chamber. My ph is consistently at 7.7. Everything is growing fine. I have a Geo 618 on a 120g. I have to refill it every 8-10 months.
 

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