Another Jebao Pump Failure

[Pete1968]

They are junk! I bought so many in last year and most broke within months! I finally bought high end equipment and will never go back to a jebao

 

[reeferfoxx]

Hey I am greedy like most of you I bought them to save a buck knowing they were "cheap Chinese" products. I have purchased close to $500 worth and 80% have failed. I gave it a shot but fool me twice, shame on me! And as I also said, you can sort the Amazon ratings by date and you will see more and more failures the farther back you go. I like that Amazon allows you to change your rating as an item ages as this is the only way for people to know what to expect long term.

I don't know. Something else seem to be at play here. Maybe a bad power strip or some kind of surge. I've owned 5 powerheads and two return pumps and only two of the RW series power heads went bad. But they didn't fail completely just slowed down. I've yet to see one of my PP series pumps fail. My DCP 2000 and DC3000 have been going strong. Actually the DC3000 was retired to backup as the dcp is smaller, uses less energy, and powerful enough.

I REALLY wish people would stop comparing ANYTHING to Ecotech junk! They are the epitome of "the emperor has no clothes". Whoopty do they found a way to make magnets work through glass.

I appreciate this post lol!

 

[Katrina71]

I agree with Reefer Fox. I have had good luck with them even 2nd hand. I always have spare equipment so it is not a big deal. I am always looking for backups. Jic.

 

[Flippers4pups]

I know from the medical surgical instrument world is full of designs that are copies. Most of the general instrumentation is "knock offs". One company I worked for made ophthalmic eye instruments. They have patents on their designs. Companies in Europe copied their designs, but changed them just enough to get away with it. They stopped applying for patents on new designs because of it.

As others have said, this kind of thing happens all over the world all the time. More than the general public knows.

 

[Forsaken77]

I have been using a DC-6000 return pump for 4 years now. It's been faultless except for a year ago, when I hadn't cleaned/serviced it (ever) and it stalled. I cleaned it, changed the PSU (which did its job and blew the fuse) and it's been running ever since.

I've had a pair of RW-8's, they've been running for the same time without any issue. I also have a pair of cross flows, which have had issues initially (version 1) with an over-sensitive anti-stall feature. The vendor replaced, under warranty with version 3 pumps which have run without issue and provided awesome flow.

During that time, my local reef club friends have had multiple Ecotech Vectra failures and no one's Neptune WAV has lasted more than two years.

Now I'm not sitting here confident the return isn't going to fail, but actually the pumps are doing really well and I'm incredibly glad that I didn't pay much more money for higher end kit that fails.

I notice that a lot of pumps on the market seem to be using the Jebao/Jecod blocks and their pumps are also used in Deltec skimmers and calcium reactors also.

Are you referring to the DC versions of the Deltec skimmers? Marine Depot only carried the AC pump versions and even the place that used to sell Deltecs (Battlecorals I think) said the DC pump versions were crap.

Jebao pumps are not used in Deltec AC skimmers. Deltec got their pumps from AquaBee for a while, then made their own based off the AquaBee pump.

I don't know about the brand new Deltecs that just released, but those seem a step down all around.

 

[Forsaken77]

Besides, car companies copy features all the time. Chrysler 200 copied the Hyundai Sonata roofline (later stating in a press release they wish they hadn't because it was too low for rear passengers).

It really does boil down to proof, and there isn't any.

Companies borrow ideas from others all the time. How is there generic medications? No? Okay how about different brands of the same thing like a 5 gallon bucket.

Generic meds are allowed to be made after 10 years in the pharma industry. You also cannot patent general items, like a bucket. The bucket would have to have a unique feature.

 

[DesertReefT4r]

So far so good on my 4 month old Jebao PP8s and DC5000. I have had plenty of "good" pumps and power heads fail on me, Hydor power heads, MJ, RO OTP pump, Cap/Beauty pump, Rio pumps. I expect a year of service minimum from any pump or powerhead so paying $500 for 1 pump that any only last a year is crazy when there is a $80 option.

 

[tastyfish]

Are you referring to the DC versions of the Deltec skimmers? Marine Depot only carried the AC pump versions and even the place that used to sell Deltecs (Battlecorals I think) said the DC pump versions were crap.

Jebao pumps are not used in Deltec AC skimmers. Deltec got their pumps from AquaBee for a while, then made their own based off the AquaBee pump.

I don't know about the brand new Deltecs that just released, but those seem a step down all around.

Deltec have been using Jebao pumps for 2 years now on their DC kit, at least. You'd be surprised at how many vendors berate Jebao in public, but are OEM supplied with their kit...

There is a whole world outside of the US, you know...

 

[tastyfish]

They are junk! I bought so many in last year and most broke within months! I finally bought high end equipment and will never go back to a jebao

I don't know what you are doing with them then! lol. You know they're not designed to be hit with hammers, thrown from buildings etc, right?

In all seriousness, I've been expecting worse than I have experienced. All my reefint friends who've bought the Maxspect Gyres, for example have had multiple failures with these.

 

[Catchemall]

You keep staying they stole property. What property did they steal? Show me the legal document that states which patent numbers they infringed. Show the court ruling that finds Jebao guilt. So far you have only shared a press release that states one company's opinion.

One company that is losing money to jabeo. so that company tries to shut em down and couldn’t. Lol

 

[Catchemall]

I’ve had one rw8 go out in three years. Not bad.

 

[jd371]

I would have to say that Ive gotten my monies worth out of mine. 4 years and still running in my system. One thing I found out about them is the controller, which is cheaply made in my book, fails. Second is the power block.

I didn't like the controller that came with them. It never stayed in sync as I run a alternating wave pattern on my system.

After some research, a couple years ago, I found a little known controller that had a small following for them. The JB wave controller. These bluetooth controllers work exceptionally well with them. Unfortunately, they are no longer made. So it's a moot point now.

I'll run this way until they die, or should say the pumps die. As long as the controller works, I'll buy them again and keep going. What works, works.

Yep, the JBwave made a big difference, love it. Going over 3 years now on my pumps, I have 2 in the tank and another as a back up. I did swap out the DC6000 for a Vectra S1 and the only reason was to have a back up pump in case of an emergency, the DC6000 was still working flawlessly when I removed it.

 

[Flippers4pups]

I know. The problem I have is I got it for iPhone and I'm running a Android at the moment. I do have a old iPhone 6 that has the software on it and I use it to change settings. The controller has a huge amount of settings programmed into it! I love it!

 

[Rory]

I run the DCP-8000 and a PP-8 on my 90 gallon mixed reef... the return is a year old and has worked flawlessly since the day I got it. I did however learn a trick on the PP-8 that died in my old tank... I hope it helps out some of you! ALWAYS either unplug the wavemaker or shut off the power strip if you need it off longer than the 10 minute feed setting. NEVER pull the cord directly out of the controller. If you do, you will notice a spark when you disconnect it and/or reconnect it. I learned this trick on a different forum and haven't had any issues since with the current one I have. I am no electrician but that spark created can't be good for the electronics inside.

 

[Pmj]

I've had three DC return pumps, no issues at all. 5 powerheads, only one that broke was the original WP series and it was the controller. All the PP/SW/etc series are great. All of them years old.

Now have Gyres but I have nothing really bad to say about Jebao.

 

[Flippers4pups]

I run the DCP-8000 and a PP-8 on my 90 gallon mixed reef... the return is a year old and has worked flawlessly since the day I got it. I did however learn a trick on the PP-8 that died in my old tank... I hope it helps out some of you! ALWAYS either unplug the wavemaker or shut off the power strip if you need it off longer than the 10 minute feed setting. NEVER pull the cord directly out of the controller. If you do, you will notice a spark when you disconnect it and/or reconnect it. I learned this trick on a different forum and haven't had any issues since with the current one I have. I am no electrician but that spark created can't be good for the electronics inside.

I'm no electronics expert, but I've seen this before, spark. Power block is energized and a sudden jolt to the controller when plugged back in is my guess.

You may notice that when you turn off the power to the whole wave maker and turn it back on, it doesn't power up instantly. It takes a few seconds to do this. I suspect the power block takes a few seconds to energize, this translates to the controller as a ramping up current.

The jolt to the controller may lead to it failing in some circumstances. If not once, but multiple times does it in.

 

[pickupman66]

Sorry about your poor luck with their product. I will count myself as fortunate that i have had very rare failures. My Original, first run WP40s lasted a good 6 years for me. then one failed and I replaced with some WP25s 3 years ago. I have to keep them clean or they slow down. I also have a 4 year old WP10 that has performed flawlessly in that time. 6 years ago (i think) i purchased a DC6000. shortly after they came out. it ran as an external closed loop pump for 3 years then was used as a submersible return until this past spring when it began to no longer start on its own. I could spin start it and it worked good. It was replaced with a DCP6500 (sine Wave) that has performed really really good.

I do not use the Jebao controllers (except the return) as I have them hooked into my Archon controller. I am working to develop a way to transfer this programming over to the new Reef-pi controller. I still use the original power supplies for all units.

ALL that said, i really want to try those new AI water movers. those look super slick!!!!! but at $300 a pop, I think ill pass for now.

 

[cmcoker]

I have a dct4000 as my return, 2 pp8 in the display, around 3yrs old. A sw2 in each of my biocubes, a 14 and 16, switched both biocube to Jebaos after a hydor nano shocked me. Those are 6m to a year old.
And I had a set of wp25s on a twin controller, those are the oldest and I got them maybe 5 years ago or so. One of the wp25s died at 3 years, iirc, the other I still use in quarantine. I use the twin controller now to run the pp8s off my Profilux controller.
Also had a dc12000 on my last tank but sold that on craigslist.
The pulse mode seems to wear them out I think, ran that wo25 that failed on Pulse. I'm curious if failures correspond to settings, maybe a poll is in order.

 

[Flippers4pups]

I have a dct4000 as my return, 2 pp8 in the display, around 3yrs old. A sw2 in each of my biocubes, a 14 and 16, switched both biocube to Jebaos after a hydor nano shocked me. Those are 6m to a year old.
And I had a set of wp25s on a twin controller, those are the oldest and I got them maybe 5 years ago or so. One of the wp25s died at 3 years, iirc, the other I still use in quarantine. I use the twin controller now to run the pp8s off my Profilux controller.
Also had a dc12000 on my last tank but sold that on craigslist.
The pulse mode seems to wear them out I think, ran that wo25 that failed on Pulse. I'm curious if failures correspond to settings, maybe a poll is in order.

Could be the on and off that runs the controller into the ground. Hard on the electronics. Mine are on the JB wave controller on "alternating" pattern. I do run a "sweep" mode on them once a week.

 

[cmcoker]

Could be the on and off that runs the controller into the ground. Hard on the electronics. Mine are on the JB wave controller on "alternating" pattern. I do run a "sweep" mode on them once a week.

Yeah, funny though my pump died but that controller is still in use.