ATI Straton Pro (102, 153, 204)

[ATI North America]

Well.. the o/p was asking why 30% more for the pro than the original.. Are they not both carved aluminum shells?
considering the greed-flation not unexpected though.

No, the original Straton is not.

 

[oreo54]

No, the original Straton is not.

Fair enough..Thanks

 

[Raul-7]

No, the original Straton is not.

But do they output more PAR than the original? I think that's what people care about the most, IMO. Sexy is great, but function is more important.

 

[spsick]

But do they output more PAR than the original? I think that's what people care about the most, IMO. Sexy is great, but function is more important.

They advertise 30% more output so I guess we have to wait for someone to plunk down the cash on one. It does not seem that ATI is much in the way of pushing their gear via advertising or content creators stateside.

 

[ArachnoJoozt]

They advertise 30% more output so I guess we have to wait for someone to plunk down the cash on one. It does not seem that ATI is much in the way of pushing their gear via advertising or content creators stateside.

Ah, 30% higher price, 30% more output, so the price per watt stays the same even with the sleek new aluminium body

Very nice light, for my smallish cube aquarium I just upgraded from Radion xr15pro to a second hand (the first generation ofc) ATI Straton. Absolutely loving it so far

 

[DJF]

I have the pros and the orig stratons- will be a couple days before I can mount (need a jeweler’s screwdriver) but will come back here and share my thoughts & my par meter readings.

 

[Wolflare]

It's definitely an improvement over the original in looks and performance. I like that's finally App controlled. ATI has been behind on that for a while. But the app is simple with easy pre-sets. I don't have a PAR meter, but I can say the light looks good. The price point will keep a lot of people from this light sadly, but for those that get it, they'll be happy with the investment. I think the price is high due to the new body style of solid aluminum like ATI said, but I assume it's also increased shipping and manufacturing as well as the app development. I don't think it's "Greed-flation" as someone said so much as inflation combined with the leap forward in quality.

 

[beesnreefs]

It's definitely an improvement over the original in looks and performance. I like that's finally App controlled. ATI has been behind on that for a while. But the app is simple with easy pre-sets. I don't have a PAR meter, but I can say the light looks good. The price point will keep a lot of people from this light sadly, but for those that get it, they'll be happy with the investment. I think the price is high due to the new body style of solid aluminum like ATI said, but I assume it's also increased shipping and manufacturing as well as the app development. I don't think it's "Greed-flation" as someone said so much as inflation combined with the leap forward in quality.

I set up my 6 foot mixed reef 16 months ago and got 3 of the original Stratons. If the Pros were available in the US then, I would have gone with the Pros. Good to hear they are an improvement over what was already a fantastic light (I love my Stratons!).

I imagine my Stratons will last for many years but if the need arises to replace them, I fully intend to go with the Pros.

 

[oreo54]

It's definitely an improvement over the original in looks and performance. I like that's finally App controlled. ATI has been behind on that for a while. But the app is simple with easy pre-sets. I don't have a PAR meter, but I can say the light looks good. The price point will keep a lot of people from this light sadly, but for those that get it, they'll be happy with the investment. I think the price is high due to the new body style of solid aluminum like ATI said, but I assume it's also increased shipping and manufacturing as well as the app development. I don't think it's "Greed-flation" as someone said so much as inflation combined with the leap forward in quality.

Well best I make it clear my off the cuff comment wasn't exactly geared at ATI.
More on the line of everything along the chain of parts ect.. So lets just consider it more of a general rant against the world..

Second kudos for ATI to use both reflectors and passive cooling. Always felt the use of "too good " tir lenses and the like inhibited more than helped leds.

Now for a more physical question, though they talk about an err "upgraded" spectum (which is likely as I'll show) I can not find a diode count and nm change LISTED between the 2.
Granted sometimes one uses "470nm" to mean anything from 467-474nm and there are manuf. and system things that effect this.
Changing "brand" of say 40-ish leds also affects the peak at times as well as different bins in a class.
Details mere details.
I did my best to compare old w/ new regarding spectrum change at 100%
Straton orig. is normal colored. Pro reversed to highlight possible changes.
Note the decrease in "violet" and the shift in max nm to the left.
Subtle but interesting.
Like they say devil is in the details.A deeper blue, less violet, less red, less cyan.
Not sure of the accuracy of this but, well here it is.

Others like it as well.

ATIから凄いLEDがリリースされていたぞ！？

クッ… 一生の不覚… グハッ と言うくらいの衝撃を食らいました先ほど、ふとした経緯で知ることとなりましたが、なんと、あのT5時代に名を馳せたATIが、どうやら半年も前にLED製品をリリースしていたというのです！？

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[beesnreefs]

Well best I make it clear my off the cuff comment wasn't exactly geared at ATI.
More on the line of everything along the chain of parts ect.. So lets just consider it more of a general rant against the world..

Second kudos for ATI to use both reflectors and passive cooling. Always felt the use of "too good " tir lenses and the like inhibited more than helped leds.

Now for a more physical question, though they talk about an err "upgraded" spectum (which is likely as I'll show) I can not find a diode count and nm change LISTED between the 2.
Granted sometimes one uses "470nm" to mean anything from 467-474nm and there are manuf. and system things that effect this.
Changing "brand" of say 40-ish leds also affects the peak at times as well as different bins in a class.
Details mere details.
I did my best to compare old w/ new regarding spectrum change at 100%
Straton orig. is normal colored. Pro reversed to highlight possible changes.
Note the decrease in "violet" and the shift in max nm to the left.
Subtle but interesting.
Like they say devil is in the details.A deeper blue, less violet, less red, less cyan.
Not sure of the accuracy of this but, well here it is.

Others like it as well.

ATIから凄いLEDがリリースされていたぞ！？

クッ… 一生の不覚… グハッ と言うくらいの衝撃を食らいました先ほど、ふとした経緯で知ることとなりましたが、なんと、あのT5時代に名を馳せたATIが、どうやら半年も前にLED製品をリリースしていたというのです！？

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Thanks for the thoughtful curiosity and insights, @oreo54. Really appreciate your perspective and the compared spectrum charts.

If you had to guess, would you say this shift left in the spectrum (along with the reduced red, cyan, violet) is likely to make a tank using the Pros at least closer in look to someone using say Kessils or Radions?

 

[areefer01]

Well best I make it clear my off the cuff comment wasn't exactly geared at ATI.
More on the line of everything along the chain of parts ect.. So lets just consider it more of a general rant against the world..

Second kudos for ATI to use both reflectors and passive cooling. Always felt the use of "too good " tir lenses and the like inhibited more than helped leds.

Now for a more physical question, though they talk about an err "upgraded" spectum (which is likely as I'll show) I can not find a diode count and nm change LISTED between the 2.
Granted sometimes one uses "470nm" to mean anything from 467-474nm and there are manuf. and system things that effect this.
Changing "brand" of say 40-ish leds also affects the peak at times as well as different bins in a class.
Details mere details.
I did my best to compare old w/ new regarding spectrum change at 100%
Straton orig. is normal colored. Pro reversed to highlight possible changes.
Note the decrease in "violet" and the shift in max nm to the left.
Subtle but interesting.
Like they say devil is in the details.A deeper blue, less violet, less red, less cyan.
Not sure of the accuracy of this but, well here it is.

Others like it as well.

ATIから凄いLEDがリリースされていたぞ！？

クッ… 一生の不覚… グハッ と言うくらいの衝撃を食らいました先ほど、ふとした経緯で知ることとなりましたが、なんと、あのT5時代に名を馳せたATIが、どうやら半年も前にLED製品をリリースしていたというのです！？

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When hobbyist see these graphs I always wonder what goes through their minds...

 

[oreo54]

Thanks for the thoughtful curiosity and insights, @oreo54. Really appreciate your perspective and the compared spectrum charts.

If you had to guess, would you say this shift left in the spectrum (along with the reduced red, cyan, violet) is likely to make a tank using the Pros at least closer in look to someone using say Kessils or Radions?

Which Kessil,which Radion?

Above is probably just the " tuna blue" (0-100 color) part and no ancillary colors(?).
I wouldn't want to guess really .
Some other spectrums:

Kessil A360X vs Ecotech XR15 G5 Pro - Spectrum??

So I’ve asked this question a couple of different places and I’m afraid this is ultimately going to come down to “flip a coin” but I wanted to pose this question one last time to the R2R community to see if I can narrow my decision any more. I am replacing the AI Prime that‘s over my IM Lagoon...

www.reef2reef.com

Besides it is just one" point" in an almost infinite amount of adjustments based on channel tweaking.
Also what is the cost of matching? How many colors does one need to dim?
ECT

 

[oreo54]

When hobbyist see these graphs I always wonder what goes through their minds...

" Man what a weird geeky guy"

 

[Raul-7]

It's definitely an improvement over the original in looks and performance. I like that's finally App controlled. ATI has been behind on that for a while. But the app is simple with easy pre-sets. I don't have a PAR meter, but I can say the light looks good. The price point will keep a lot of people from this light sadly, but for those that get it, they'll be happy with the investment. I think the price is high due to the new body style of solid aluminum like ATI said, but I assume it's also increased shipping and manufacturing as well as the app development. I don't think it's "Greed-flation" as someone said so much as inflation combined with the leap forward in quality.

I agree; European lights from ATI and Giesemann have always been the benchmark in the hobby in terms of quality, function and aesthetic.

I would much rather have an ATI Straton Pro over my aquarium than a comparable Radion G6, Hydra 32, etc.

The quality alone is worth the price, IMO.

 

[rtparty]

Look cool and glad they made it stateside.

Couple issues I see right off the bat for my own setup. It would be $6k to light my tank. That’s an absolute no go. The price is way too high to justify even getting one to test.

Second thing is did they actually plan on people mounting these this time? The original was a PITA to mount and ATI never brought anything to market to help. Are these in the same camp or were mounting solutions actually thought of beforehand?

 

[areefer01]

" Man what a weird geeky guy"

No, did not mean you providing them. I was more asking what hobbyist think when they seem them. Does it really make one go ah ha, I will buy that light...

 

[ATI North America]

Look cool and glad they made it stateside.

Couple issues I see right off the bat for my own setup. It would be $6k to light my tank. That’s an absolute no go. The price is way too high to justify even getting one to test.

Second thing is did they actually plan on people mounting these this time? The original was a PITA to mount and ATI never brought anything to market to help. Are these in the same camp or were mounting solutions actually thought of beforehand?

From what I understand ATI Aquaristik makes "household lights" in the eyes of the regulations. As soon as you mount it on an aquarium, it becomes an aquarium light. If it becomes an aquarium light it requires waterproofing to some degree. This (from my understanding) is why ATI Aquaristik (Our German counterparts) have never made tank mounts.

 

[Raul-7]

You can see in this video they have a unique mount for these lights.

 

[oreo54]

Thanks for the thoughtful curiosity and insights, @oreo54. Really appreciate your perspective and the compared spectrum charts.

If you had to guess, would you say this shift left in the spectrum (along with the reduced red, cyan, violet) is likely to make a tank using the Pros at least closer in look to someone using say Kessils or Radions?

For fun..
3 generations of Radion Pros and the ATI. A bit "busy" but hopefully it makes sense.
Keep in mind everything is relative. For the Radions if I decrease the output at peak nm (like the 450-ish channel,) all others will move "up". So what I meant is at what cost would matching be? Remove say 30% of the par of the 450 and it will "look"
like a fuller violet spectrum. As long as you have the "color" one can adjust stuff. Only real exception here is the red mismatch. 660 vs 630-ish.
Not surprising the ATI should look whiter w/ a violet cast at 100% than any Radion, maybe...There is a big "reg blue" component though. :

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[Spare time]

If only they made smaller ones that the average hobbyist could actually afford lol.