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GlassMunky
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i tried that but then it just pulled a vortex from the top of the water and got real loud
W1ngz
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ok. Googled real quick, it looks like the tideline overflows don't include any internal plumbing or bulkheads. We need photos or video of stuff otherwise this is like playing darts drunk and blindfolded.
JoshH
Tank Status: Wet...ish, growing things....
I guess I should have elaborated on that a little bit. When you do pull it off you will have to readjust your gate valve to raise the water level inside the overflow box. Ideally at this point you want 99% of your flow to go down the main drain and the other 1% or so to flow down your secondary.
W1ngz
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If there's a vortex inside the overflow the water level isn't high enough.
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GlassMunky
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Its late and im frustrated with this thing. I think im just going to go to bed and come back with a fresh head in the morning. I'll get some pictures of the inside of the box too so everyone is more on the same page.
the whole box is only like 6-7" tall???? how much space can there be
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GlassMunky
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Its getting late and im frustrated at this thing.
Im going to call it a night and come back with a fresh head in the morning.
Ill also get pictures of the inside of the box and see if i can get those uploaded.
Im going to call it a night and come back with a fresh head in the morning.
Ill also get pictures of the inside of the box and see if i can get those uploaded.
JoshH
Tank Status: Wet...ish, growing things....
Excellent plan, take a break and get it tackled tomorrow. I'm sure one of us will be on here to help you figure it out. Pictures are definitely worth a thousand words for us here and not just cause we love pictures of shiney new things
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GlassMunky
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Here’s the inside of the box when it is tuned as well as I can get it at the moment.
It’s still loud and doesn’t restart correctly tho.
It’s a 90 with a street 90 to make a U for the main drain, same thing for the secondary but with an air hole in the top of the U
And then a straight standpipe in the middle as the emergency
It’s still loud and doesn’t restart correctly tho.
It’s a 90 with a street 90 to make a U for the main drain, same thing for the secondary but with an air hole in the top of the U
And then a straight standpipe in the middle as the emergency
JoshH
Tank Status: Wet...ish, growing things....
Give this thread a bump tomorrow and we can get back at it. I have a few thoughts but will refrain from posting cause if you're anything like me you'll end up staying up all night tinkering with it till it works. Cursing and swearing along the way
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GlassMunky
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that sounds exactly like me lolGive this thread a bump tomorrow and we can get back at it. I have a few thoughts but will refrain from posting cause if you're anything like me you'll end up staying up all night tinkering with it till it works. Cursing and swearing along the way
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GlassMunky
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@JoshH so i figured out how to upload the video to youtube. so heres what was going on last night
So then someone on the local FB reef group suggested slowing the flow a bit so that the full siphon could catch up to the flow sooner, but when i tried that, this is what happens after a power outage now instead of the first video.
so neither one seem to be correct.
something is telling me that i need to make an adjustment somewhere inside the box, but im not sure what lol
Running a Herbie on my older tanks seemed much easier to tune, but maybe thats just cause they were internal overflows so had alot bigger height difference which made it easier... or its probably me just being new at this setup and not understanding the full dynamics of it yet
So then someone on the local FB reef group suggested slowing the flow a bit so that the full siphon could catch up to the flow sooner, but when i tried that, this is what happens after a power outage now instead of the first video.
so neither one seem to be correct.
something is telling me that i need to make an adjustment somewhere inside the box, but im not sure what lol
Running a Herbie on my older tanks seemed much easier to tune, but maybe thats just cause they were internal overflows so had alot bigger height difference which made it easier... or its probably me just being new at this setup and not understanding the full dynamics of it yet
W1ngz
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I just saw your second video. That is the exact behaviour I get when I do a blocked primary test on my new setup that I'm hoping to move things into shortly. The water goes up, then when the secondary siphon kicks in, it goes down. The air isn't venting from the primary. I'll post a pic of my setup in a little bit.
W1ngz
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I’ve got a strainer on my primary instead of the two 90s you have. My main siphon starts in about 18 seconds and then the level slowly creeps up to where it just trickles down the secondary. It's a different box, but the operation should be nearly identical.
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GlassMunky
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no theres no hole on the full siphon. all the diagrams ive seen only have a hole on the secondary.
so is there any water running through your secondary or is it only the full siphon? it looks like the secondary is still above the water line.
I’ve got a strainer on my primary instead of the two 90s you have. My main siphon starts in about 18 seconds and then the level slowly creeps up to where it just trickles down the secondary. It's a different box, but the operation should be nearly identical.
I think if i switch it around in the box to like yours with the emergency all the way on the end ill be able to get a higher standpipe there and then also a higher secondary and then if i remove the elbow on the main that should make bigger height difference in the box and maybe stop the vortex it was pulling before when i removed the elbow
W1ngz
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That picture was taken about a minute after restarting the pump. It takes 2 or 3 minutes to get there, but yes the secondary does have a trickle amount going through it when everything stabilizes. This is after a few minutes.
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GlassMunky
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ok wow thats super close to the emergency drain..... how do you measure the pipes to get them that close when running?That picture was taken about a minute after restarting the pump. It takes 2 or 3 minutes to get there, but yes the secondary does have a trickle amount going through it when everything stabilizes. This is after a few minutes.
