Bell and whistles?

Someone please tell me why an RODI is needed? Could I not fill up a brute can with water and let it "distill" for a week?

Distillation is an active process where the water is boiled and the steam condensed back to liquid water in a separate vessel. Letting it sit open might remove free chlorine, but not much else. RO/DI remove the chlorine, metals, nitrates, and phosphates from the source and leaves you with pretty much pure water to work with.
 
Distillation is an active process where the water is boiled and the steam condensed back to liquid water in a separate vessel. Letting it sit open might remove free chlorine, but not much else. RO/DI remove the chlorine, metals, nitrates, and phosphates from the source and leaves you with pretty much pure water to work with.

bingo
 
might wanna check the acro grow off between people with skimmers and people without.

skimmerless systems are stomping skimmer systems.

hate to say it. But they are not "critical" as blue in the face as you want to make it out.
The acro growoff was to disprove that notion.

im not saying they are worthless, but they dont work miracles.
one of the other great things in this hobby. Debunking myths.
"SPS are highlight corals. " "SPS need low nutrient Systems"

fact, the photosynthetic coral growing in the greatest water depth is an SPS. 80m I believe.
 
one of the other great things in this hobby. Debunking myths.
"SPS are highlight corals. " "SPS need low nutrient Systems"

fact, the photosynthetic coral growing in the greatest water depth is an SPS. 80m I believe.

well said. many many things the 90s aquarists say, that arent 100% right. close? sure. but not quite there.

cant wait til things i thought were close but "not quite there"

exciting time for us reefers
 
like other veterans have stated. once you know your tanks personality/caveats, things get simpler.

no 2 tanks are alike

This hits the nail on the head design and then learn your tank and modify your strategy as needed to achieve the desired results. I think keeping my Ca and alk stable is more important to me and I test both several times a week and adjust my dosing to keep then as stable as possible. I also feed my coral both targeted and broadcast feeding 2 times a week. I've found this keeps my corals growing better than when I didn't feed as much and relied more on photosynthesis as nutrient like nitrates and phosphates in the water. The corals in the wild probably use the food they catch to supply these to their symbiotic algae. This works great for me but others have great success feeding very little to the corals. There is no right answer in all cases. Careful observation is the most important thing you can do regularity and you'll know when things are happy or need a change of strategy.
 
Distillation is an active process where the water is boiled and the steam condensed back to liquid water in a separate vessel. Letting it sit open might remove free chlorine, but not much else. RO/DI remove the chlorine, metals, nitrates, and phosphates from the source and leaves you with pretty much pure water to work with.

Thank you for that.
 
might wanna check the acro grow off between people with skimmers and people without.

skimmerless systems are stomping skimmer systems.

hate to say it. But they are not "critical" as blue in the face as you want to make it out.
The acro growoff was to disprove that notion.

im not saying they are worthless, but they dont work miracles.

LOL that mines bigger than yours grow off proves nothing. Slightly different frags in differently stocked, lighted and equipped systems with varying stocks of fish (and lets not forget additives) is a joke for anything other than friendly competition. Even taking what I read with a grain of salt to say one is stomping the other (because of skimmer or not) is a big stretch. Yes you can run w/o a skimmer but if you read it says about 98% of tanks should probably have them. I'll rely more on 25+ years of hands on reef keeping and actual studies from people I trust to decide what works and what doesn't and the fact that the majority of people with much of any experience agree. Yeah some places like Unique have cut back on skimmer use in mostly coral only systems because phosphates and nitrates got to low (and yeah low nutrient is out of fashion for now). I certainly haven't seen any successful real aquaculture not using skimmers. Funny that even the grow sponsor BC uses skimmers (and has some of the best frags available) and is one who pushes/sells Deltec's. Absolute different circumstance though from the average hobbyist with heavily fed, perhaps questionably maintained, tanks well stocked particularly with fish. For most no skimmer would mean a huge uptick in nitrate production where some would turn around and spend the money they would have spent on a skimmer on yet another system to reduce nitrates or maybe just fail. If I was running an Acro only tank with maybe a couple fish for cleanup and to provide nutrients for the Acro's then yes maybe I would go skimmerless. Perfectly fine competition between hobbyists but it does not now or in the end remotely prove anything as far as no skimmer is better than having one. There's something not quite right about your tank based on your numbers. You don't not run a skimmer and have low nitrate and phosphate w/o some other mechanism (in your case seems to be a large fuge) to keep it in check. That is of course unless the tank your using is newer with new water and/or you have little or no stock and your not feeding anything. If that's the case that's hardly a practical application. Maybe just your pics but little sign of coralline growth but algae, maybe some dinos and algae bubbles maybe indicating a bloom of cyano or maybe other. More signs of a newer tank or numbers that are off. I looked for a pic of your tank that shows something actually living in it but didn't see anything other than two frags on a rock. You did mention a couple fish you put in but that's it in a 265g tank?
 
You busted me. I will do my own research before flying a question next time...:(
It's cool. We all do it. It's great to ask and get directons too. But few get the whole picture that way.
 
LOL that mines bigger than yours grow off proves nothing. Slightly different frags in differently stocked, lighted and equipped systems with varying stocks of fish (and lets not forget additives) is a joke for anything other than friendly competition. Even taking what I read with a grain of salt to say one is stomping the other (because of skimmer or not) is a big stretch. Yes you can run w/o a skimmer but if you read it says about 98% of tanks should probably have them. I'll rely more on 25+ years of hands on reef keeping and actual studies from people I trust to decide what works and what doesn't and the fact that the majority of people with much of any experience agree. Yeah some places like Unique have cut back on skimmer use in mostly coral only systems because phosphates and nitrates got to low (and yeah low nutrient is out of fashion for now). I certainly haven't seen any successful real aquaculture not using skimmers. Funny that even the grow sponsor BC uses skimmers (and has some of the best frags available) and is one who pushes/sells Deltec's. Absolute different circumstance though from the average hobbyist with heavily fed, perhaps questionably maintained, tanks well stocked particularly with fish. For most no skimmer would mean a huge uptick in nitrate production where some would turn around and spend the money they would have spent on a skimmer on yet another system to reduce nitrates or maybe just fail. If I was running an Acro only tank with maybe a couple fish for cleanup and to provide nutrients for the Acro's then yes maybe I would go skimmerless. Perfectly fine competition between hobbyists but it does not now or in the end remotely prove anything as far as no skimmer is better than having one. There's something not quite right about your tank based on your numbers. You don't not run a skimmer and have low nitrate and phosphate w/o some other mechanism (in your case seems to be a large fuge) to keep it in check. That is of course unless the tank your using is newer with new water and/or you have little or no stock and your not feeding anything. If that's the case that's hardly a practical application. Maybe just your pics but little sign of coralline growth but algae, maybe some dinos and algae bubbles maybe indicating a bloom of cyano or maybe other. More signs of a newer tank or numbers that are off. I looked for a pic of your tank that shows something actually living in it but didn't see anything other than two frags on a rock. You did mention a couple fish you put in but that's it in a 265g tank?
That's helpful. Thanks.
 
Also going to add to everyones list, your on the best forum for help. (just incase) some people are shy and dont ask for help, theres tons of us here to help you through the process and will have a quick response when you need one. This forum can litterally guide you every step of the way and you may not find that anywere else. Please, any questions dont hesitate, carry on lol. Welcome to r2r btw
 
I read through this thread and I'm not sure that anyone mentioned that. It is true that the bigger the tank the better and easier to maintain stability but it seems to me that your budget is not there for a 135 gallon tank.

Don't get me wrong mine is not there either (otherwise I'd have one!). A rule of thumb I've heard and it certainly applied to me is that a reef tank will cost $50-$100 per gallon. Of course that is not to say you can't do it cheaper but it kinda puts everything in perspective.

Now my suggestion would be go for a smaller tank, something a couple of other people mentioned. I am not sure what is your budget is but i have a 30 gallon. I have slowly invested in it buying a lot of equipment i can use with any tank (rodi, controller, oversized return pump etc). I am learning from my system. I don't know what anyone else thinks but the smaller tank gives me a more close relationship with every little creature in there, at least that's what it feels.

Anyway, i guess through all this rant i guess what I'm saying is that since your budget seems restricted i would opt for a smaller more manageable tank and not skimp on some stuff that will be more affordable given a smaller tank.
 
LOL that mines bigger than yours grow off proves nothing. Slightly different frags in differently stocked, lighted and equipped systems with varying stocks of fish (and lets not forget additives) is a joke for anything other than friendly competition. Even taking what I read with a grain of salt to say one is stomping the other (because of skimmer or not) is a big stretch. Yes you can run w/o a skimmer but if you read it says about 98% of tanks should probably have them. I'll rely more on 25+ years of hands on reef keeping and actual studies from people I trust to decide what works and what doesn't and the fact that the majority of people with much of any experience agree. Yeah some places like Unique have cut back on skimmer use in mostly coral only systems because phosphates and nitrates got to low (and yeah low nutrient is out of fashion for now). I certainly haven't seen any successful real aquaculture not using skimmers. Funny that even the grow sponsor BC uses skimmers (and has some of the best frags available) and is one who pushes/sells Deltec's. Absolute different circumstance though from the average hobbyist with heavily fed, perhaps questionably maintained, tanks well stocked particularly with fish. For most no skimmer would mean a huge uptick in nitrate production where some would turn around and spend the money they would have spent on a skimmer on yet another system to reduce nitrates or maybe just fail. If I was running an Acro only tank with maybe a couple fish for cleanup and to provide nutrients for the Acro's then yes maybe I would go skimmerless. Perfectly fine competition between hobbyists but it does not now or in the end remotely prove anything as far as no skimmer is better than having one. There's something not quite right about your tank based on your numbers. You don't not run a skimmer and have low nitrate and phosphate w/o some other mechanism (in your case seems to be a large fuge) to keep it in check. That is of course unless the tank your using is newer with new water and/or you have little or no stock and your not feeding anything. If that's the case that's hardly a practical application. Maybe just your pics but little sign of coralline growth but algae, maybe some dinos and algae bubbles maybe indicating a bloom of cyano or maybe other. More signs of a newer tank or numbers that are off. I looked for a pic of your tank that shows something actually living in it but didn't see anything other than two frags on a rock. You did mention a couple fish you put in but that's it in a 265g tank?

tank has a foxface, powder blue tang, regal tang, meleanarus wrasse, carpenter wrasse, copperband butterfly, and a yellow watchman goby. not sure if that counts as a "couple of fish".

also those are the same coral from the same colony.

i find it humorous that in 25 years of your experience that "something wouldnt be right". -fun lil jab

now i could be as obtuse and state skimmers are trash and do nothing for your aquarium. "look at this grow off". However that would be as disingenuous as stating you need a skimmer or will fail at growing sticks.

as for the corraline comment... well. Lets just say the pesky guys know where to go.

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sorry lights just coming on :)
 
I vote for a quality RO/DI and a quality automatic top off system. These are the start to a consistent and quality water column.
 
I all seriousness, thank you for this valuable information. For me, you can read it in book, but it helps so much to hear from people that are doing it right now.
Coral Magazine this month has a write up on new REEF tank SYSTEM OWNED AND designed by one of the worlds top reefers, his dream tank after 30 years full time in the hobby, 180 GAL. YOU SHOULD READ IT.
 
Coral Magazine this month has a write up on new REEF tank SYSTEM OWNED AND designed by one of the worlds top reefers, his dream tank after 30 years full time in the hobby, 180 GAL. YOU SHOULD READ IT.


Dude, yes! Like ASAP!
 
After reading all these awesome replies and questions I've come to realize that as a new hobbiest you've made the smartest move you'll ever make. That was asking the questions in the first place. To many people jump in and ask nothing and don't do any research. Then when things go bad they either bail or expect everyone to help them out when they've done nothing to help themselves.

Hats off to you for forward thinking and preparing yourself.
 

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