Biopellets vs sulfur vs vodka vs white vinegar

Not sure why they would be worried about that. Skimmers are not very efficient mechanical filters. There's plenty of extra bacteria in my system that many forms of planktonic life thrive on.
Thats the reason iv made a seperate thread on self sustaining reef..

The issue is that if you add foods, almost every bit of it must be incorporated into tissues.
 
One additional thing that is rarely relayed, is the analysis they did of the Nopox was lower resolution, it was a quick test, and it was student operated vs a seasoned professional. Though those points are debatable, it goes to say as well that Nopox is not just acetic acid and ethanol. There's also methanol and the test shows a bump in the isopropyl range iirc. I've not looked too far into the isopropyl tangent and it's interaction with bacteria/fungus/etc. But methanol alone is also used for denitrification. There's organisms from fungus to bacteria that utilize it and nitrogenous sources to carry out similar duties. It's not really been investigated in the hobby collectively as to its extent, but in wastewater treatment it's got the efficiency of other carbon sources with different interactions. If you would care to look up more start with methylotrophs. It's very diverse on the amount of organisms. So as much as people suggest the ethanol is only denatured and the methanol is a side effect, that simple statement along with "Nopox is just vodka and vinegar" ignores a vast amount of information including the simple premise of reading the label that says, "Contains Methanol".

Another tangent to look at would be a newer one to the states called NP Pro by Aquaforest. Unlike Nopox, zeovit, and vsv, users report it has no odor and is clear. So after time goes by, depending upon what's reported, it's efficiency may rival even the best current methods. (so far the tanks I've seen look pretty darn good, and Imo beat vsv hands down, but it could be a different aspect because bacterial dosing is part of the program and not all vsv users dose bacteria)
 
I appologize I did not read the entire previous post. Most I'm sure has been hashed out before.

It comes down to

I see no reason to believe redsea's nopox won't work.

I also see no reason vinegar, vodka, or a combination of the two won't work.

Redsea's nopox is quite a bit more expensive for many. Those under 18 can buy it legally due to the denatured agents included. Which may or may not be their only reason for including it. They did have a label posted saying denatured ethanol was included which would be the methanol and the isopropyl. Interesting find recently was a easy mix for it.

I'd be curious what's in the aquaforest product for it to not have any ordor with out being very dilute or be a bacteria supplement.
 
One additional thing that is rarely relayed, is the analysis they did of the Nopox was lower resolution, it was a quick test, and it was student operated vs a seasoned professional. Though those points are debatable, it goes to say as well that Nopox is not just acetic acid and ethanol. There's also methanol and the test shows a bump in the isopropyl range iirc. I've not looked too far into the isopropyl tangent and it's interaction with bacteria/fungus/etc. But methanol alone is also used for denitrification. There's organisms from fungus to bacteria that utilize it and nitrogenous sources to carry out similar duties. It's not really been investigated in the hobby collectively as to its extent, but in wastewater treatment it's got the efficiency of other carbon sources with different interactions. If you would care to look up more start with methylotrophs. It's very diverse on the amount of organisms. So as much as people suggest the ethanol is only denatured and the methanol is a side effect, that simple statement along with "Nopox is just vodka and vinegar" ignores a vast amount of information including the simple premise of reading the label that says, "Contains Methanol".

Another tangent to look at would be a newer one to the states called NP Pro by Aquaforest. Unlike Nopox, zeovit, and vsv, users report it has no odor and is clear. So after time goes by, depending upon what's reported, it's efficiency may rival even the best current methods. (so far the tanks I've seen look pretty darn good, and Imo beat vsv hands down, but it could be a different aspect because bacterial dosing is part of the program and not all vsv users dose bacteria)
Remember that the pro bio s has to be used with the Np Pro.
 
I appologize I did not read the entire previous post. Most I'm sure has been hashed out before.

It comes down to

I see no reason to believe redsea's nopox won't work.

I also see no reason vinegar, vodka, or a combination of the two won't work.

Redsea's nopox is quite a bit more expensive for many. Those under 18 can buy it legally due to the denatured agents included. Which may or may not be their only reason for including it.

I'd be curious what's in the aquaforest product for it to not have any ordor with out being very dilute or be a bacteria supplement.

Np- Pro, think of it like bio pellets. The Np Po uses bacteria to nullify the nitrates.
 
Np- Pro, think of it like bio pellets. The Np Po uses bacteria to nullify the nitrates.

Ok so it's biopellets in a bottle dosed to the system. I did that with IO's version that they came out with years ago in my 20 gallon tank along with adding pcl or pha pellets straight to my tank which was in IO's original patent. Worked well. Used the pellets in a canaster filter for a reactor too.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1830864
 
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No, Great, these are the answers to you questions.
Once again. (disclaimer- I do not have any relations or work for Aquaforest) It works, and we can debate all day long.
 
No, Great, these are the answers to you questions.
Once again. (disclaimer- I do not have any relations or work for Aquaforest) It works, and we can debate all day long.

Debate what? I don't see why it wouldn't work either. I didn't say it wouldn't. But it's not new.
 
I appologize I did not read the entire previous post.

the denatured agents included. Which may or may not be their only reason for including it.

Bah :p I read all of your posts!

But yes, this is a BIG area of possible interactions in many ways that I feel is underappreciated with nopox. I've started looking in the direction of bacterial/fungal interactions with methanol alone, and I laugh at the thoughts before of people saying vv is the same. It's tough because I don't look at the money, I look at the end goals. Other people shut it down because of the price before even considering the facts of all the possible biological roles that can come into play. Heck, even when I talk about fungus or yeast playing a role, people think I'm nuts. It was very reassuring to watch a video recently of that lady who was spawning column corals(iirc) in captivity. She and her team were seeing them spawn for the first time ever in captivity. That's quite the goal. Funny part was, at the end of the video, she mentions with her concluding statement, 'these areas deserve more time and research so we can see all the ways that corals fit into nature, etc, etc, and fungus'. Something like that.. Seeing what I've been told is pretty speculative, yet again validated by people outside of the forums.

It's like someone saying a diy tank is just the same as the zeo system. Which I don't think anyone in their right mind would agree with, more times than not.
 
What about sugar? How is it different from vinegar and vodka? I guess people started with sugar right? Then vinegar then vodka.. any1 still using sugar? Arent biopellets a form of corn sugar? Not sure though..
 
Dude, go to bed!
Some day

What about sugar? How is it different from vinegar and vodka? I guess people started with sugar right? Then vinegar then vodka.. any1 still using sugar? Arent biopellets a form of corn sugar? Not sure though..
I would personally not dose sugar. It's also fallen in popularity due to many people seeing more negative effects with it. I don't personally have any experience with it and haven't found the need or desire to try. Vinegar alone or vodka/vinegar has been way more then enough to get the results I desire with out adding anything else to the mix.
 
My brief experiment with sugar resulted in corals browning up, but it was not a careful study of different doses, just a couple of days. I too have heard of more issues with it.
 
In all the data I've seen, I've definitely seen a downplay in the efficiency vs problems of sugar, save for 1.

Though it's not table sugar, their words were iirc, 'I used to use nopox, but switched to vinegar+glucose, and I've never looked back'.
I found that pretty interesting..
 
In all the data I've seen, I've definitely seen a downplay in the efficiency vs problems of sugar, save for 1.

Though it's not table sugar, their words were iirc, 'I used to use nopox, but switched to vinegar+glucose, and I've never looked back'.
I found that pretty interesting..

When most folks ask about sugar, they typically mean sucrose. That's what I tested.
 
In all the data I've seen, I've definitely seen a downplay in the efficiency vs problems of sugar, save for 1.

Though it's not table sugar, their words were iirc, 'I used to use nopox, but switched to vinegar+glucose, and I've never looked back'.
I found that pretty interesting..
Sounds intresting... glucose is dirt cheap.. ;)
 
Does vinegar also removes po4? also what about cyano issues loke vodka and biopellets?
 
I plan on cycling my tank using ammonium chloride skimmerless, can i dose vinegar then while cycling? or wait?

I know this is old, but I'd wait. You don't want to drive ammonia uptake by bacteria that feed on the organic. You want to establish bacteria that get energy by oxidizing ammonia.
 
Does vinegar also removes po4? also what about cyano issues loke vodka and biopellets?

All types of organic carbon dosing have a smaller effect on phosphate than nitrate. All types of organics can boost cyano if you have species present that consume the organic you are using.
 

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