davescrews
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This one is pretty close-
bumblebee grouper reef safe
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eatbreakfast
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There have been confirmed documentations of them reaching 8.9ft, and unconfirmed accounts of them reaching 14ft. but even if they don't reach full size, they will outgrow most tanks and eat most, if not all tankmates.
eatbreakfast
Fish Nerd
Scientific literature, check the references for species on fishbase.
I did. It cited a South American article. All I saw in the article was the largest which they caught was 1.89 meters which is just over 6ft. They believe they can grow to 8.9 ft.
Did you see in any of the citations that a 8.9ft bumblebee was caught?
tautog83
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let me guess this isnt at publix..lol. l Dude if you want something like this buy a 55 gallon freshwater tank and buy an oscar . You want proof of how big they get and its silly , unless you own seaworld whats the point of us putting up a picture of a giant grouper . Do yourself a favor and just buy it and eat it
Breadman03
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The absolute maximum size of the Epinephelus lanceolatus is irrelevant for all practical home aquaria purposes. With a maximum size of 270 cm and 400 kg, the vast majority of private aquaria will not provide any sort of long term habitat.
http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/7858/0
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bairdimusprime
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The giant grouper (Epinephelus lanceolatus), also known as the brindlebass, brown spotted cod, or bumblebee grouper, and as the Queensland groper in Australia, is the largest bony fish found in coral reefs, and the aquatic emblem of Queensland. It is found from near the surface to depths of 100 m (330 ft) at reefs throughout the Indo-Pacific region, with the exception of the Persian Gulf. It also enters estuaries,[2] such as the lowermost part of the Brisbane River. It reaches up to 2.7 m (8.9 ft) in length and 400 kg (880 lb) in weight;[2] unconfirmed reports of it growing much bigger exist, up to 4.26 m (14.0 ft) and 598 kg (1,318 lb).[citation needed] Giant groupers feed on a variety of marine life, including small sharks and juvenile sea turtles. Due to overfishing, this species has declined drastically in many regions, and as of the mid-1990s, it is considered Vulnerable by the IUCN.
eatbreakfast
Fish Nerd
Fishbase had several articles and references. Multiple sources cite 2.7m/8.9ft, with estimates going up to 14ft. As far as this goes I trust Jack Randall over egg. Hook and line record is 7.5ft and 400lbs.
Even if it doesn't reach it's max size do you really suppose keeping this fish in a reef is a good idea? Do you think a 10' tank is adequate? 12'? 15'?
The only way that grouper is 9ft is if the man taking video is 10ft tall.
Can you link one of the sources which they have actually documented a 9ft bumblebee? It sounds like speculation.
The largest caught one being 7.5 ft is more reasonable. That is the largest caught so it is equivalent of seeing an 8ft man. There has been one or 2 but 99.9 percent of people won't reach 8ft. Even with great nutrition and ample space to grow.
I have no idea why people are still trying to contribute to this thread. He obviously has a trolling mentality.
Just reminds me of the saying about arguing with a crazy person on the side of the road, when people drive by, they won't be able to tell who the crazy person is. Do yourselves a favor and just leave him to his grouper and move on to more constructive and fun threads.
Just reminds me of the saying about arguing with a crazy person on the side of the road, when people drive by, they won't be able to tell who the crazy person is. Do yourselves a favor and just leave him to his grouper and move on to more constructive and fun threads.
eatbreakfast
Fish Nerd
Heemstra, P.C. and J.E. Randall, 1993. FAO Species Catalogue. Vol. 16. Groupers of the world (family Serranidae, subfamily Epinephelinae). An annotated and illustrated catalogue of the grouper, rockcod, hind, coral grouper and lyretail species known to date. Rome: FAO. FAO Fish. Synop. 125(16):382 p.
Lieske, E. and R. Myers, 1994. Collins Pocket Guide. Coral reef fishes. Indo-Pacific & Caribbean including the Red Sea. Haper Collins Publishers, 400 p.
Fischer, W., I. Sousa, C. Silva, A. de Freitas, J.M. Poutiers, W. Schneider, T.C. Borges, J.P. Feral and A. Massinga, 1990. Fichas FAO de identificaçao de espécies para actividades de pesca. Guia de campo das espécies comerciais marinhas e de águas salobras de Moçambique. Publicaçao preparada em collaboraçao com o Instituto de Investigaçao Pesquiera de Moçambique, com financiamento do Projecto PNUD/FAO MOZ/86/030 e de NORAD. Roma, FAO. 1990.
Foale, S., 1998. What's in a name? An analysis of the West Nggela (Solomon Islands) fish taxonomy. SPC Traditional Marine Resource Management and Knowledge Information Bulletin No. 9:3-19.
Allen, G.R. and M.V. Erdmann, 2012. Reef fishes of the East Indies. Perth, Australia: Universitiy of Hawai'i Press, Volumes I-III. Tropical Reef Research.
Randall, J.E., 2005. Reef and shore fishes of the South Pacific. New Caledonia to Tahiti and the Pitcairn Islands. University of Hawaii Press, Honolulu, Hawaii. 720 p.
There are 30+ other references.
The size and weight given for the record is the record for caught with a hook and line, and that can be verified that is was captured by that method, not that that is the largest ever caught.
And although it sounds good to make the comparison of an 8' man, that is just not how variance in length works in wild populations of animals. Top sizes are actually quite consistent in wild populations. It is just difficult to get a rrue 'top size' on a fish as long lived as this species of grouper, simply because it takes awhile for them to reach top size and they can be caught or eaten by a predator before reching top size. However, that being said they are consistently caught at 7'+, and they grow fast and reach 6' quickly.
Lieske, E. and R. Myers, 1994. Collins Pocket Guide. Coral reef fishes. Indo-Pacific & Caribbean including the Red Sea. Haper Collins Publishers, 400 p.
Fischer, W., I. Sousa, C. Silva, A. de Freitas, J.M. Poutiers, W. Schneider, T.C. Borges, J.P. Feral and A. Massinga, 1990. Fichas FAO de identificaçao de espécies para actividades de pesca. Guia de campo das espécies comerciais marinhas e de águas salobras de Moçambique. Publicaçao preparada em collaboraçao com o Instituto de Investigaçao Pesquiera de Moçambique, com financiamento do Projecto PNUD/FAO MOZ/86/030 e de NORAD. Roma, FAO. 1990.
Foale, S., 1998. What's in a name? An analysis of the West Nggela (Solomon Islands) fish taxonomy. SPC Traditional Marine Resource Management and Knowledge Information Bulletin No. 9:3-19.
Allen, G.R. and M.V. Erdmann, 2012. Reef fishes of the East Indies. Perth, Australia: Universitiy of Hawai'i Press, Volumes I-III. Tropical Reef Research.
Randall, J.E., 2005. Reef and shore fishes of the South Pacific. New Caledonia to Tahiti and the Pitcairn Islands. University of Hawaii Press, Honolulu, Hawaii. 720 p.
There are 30+ other references.
The size and weight given for the record is the record for caught with a hook and line, and that can be verified that is was captured by that method, not that that is the largest ever caught.
And although it sounds good to make the comparison of an 8' man, that is just not how variance in length works in wild populations of animals. Top sizes are actually quite consistent in wild populations. It is just difficult to get a rrue 'top size' on a fish as long lived as this species of grouper, simply because it takes awhile for them to reach top size and they can be caught or eaten by a predator before reching top size. However, that being said they are consistently caught at 7'+, and they grow fast and reach 6' quickly.
