Coralline no show

Can you expand on which filter you turned off that you feel caused your phosphate and nitrate to lower, subsequently causing things in your tank to die? What duration did you start keeping it off?

It was my HOB filter. I used to leave it on while feeding frozen fish food and some of the food would get sucked up into it and subsequently broken down which would add nitrates/phosphates to the water. From my understanding, nitrates and phosphates fuel growth in corals, coralline and algae. When my filter was left on 24/7 my corals and coralline growth was crazy...it looked like my softies were growing overnight.

A couple months ago, I read online where people were shutting off their HOB filters while feeding to allow the fish/inverts a better chance of getting food...so naturally, I decided to try it too. It worked...all the food was being eaten and none of it was going into the filter anymore. Good, right?

Wrong.

After that, when I would go to do the weekly cleanings of my filter, I noticed that the filter floss was looking clean...it barely had anything in it...so I thought things were going good. The fish and inverts were getting all of the food and the filter wasn't getting gummed up with leftover food and polluting the water...that seemed like a win to me.

Fast forward a month and my tank is staying really clean. I rarely ever have to scrape algae off the glass, the sand is staying nice and white and the fish are fat and happy...but my corals are no longer growing like they used to. In fact, it almost seems like everything has stopped growing completely.

Then a snail died, one of my first nerites...the biggest one in fact...and I thought, it must be old age...I've had it for over a year so maybe they don't live that long. Not a big deal.

Then the next week, one of my spiny ninja star snails died...same thing...I thought it was old age. I bought it at the same time as the nerites so I assumed it was old too. Darn, that sucks...another one died.

Then the next week one of my Astrea snails died...biggest one...didn't think much of it...figured it was probably old age too.

This week I found two more Astrea snails belly up on the bottom of the tank not moving...one ended up surviving and one appears to be on it's way out. Not eating, not moving...just sitting there.

That got me thinking...what has changed with my tank that would cause all of my biggest snails to keep dying one after another?

So I sat down and really looked over the tank. Everything looked fine at first glance...but then I noticed that the coralline had died off in a lot of places. What was once thickly covered purple rock was now barren and white. I had recently added a bag of sand to the tank and the last time I did that in a previous tank, my coralline had died off so I thought maybe that was it...hence my first response to this thread.

After posting that, I then noticed (a few days later) that the thick green algae growing on my back glass that was always covered in pods had died off too and that my sand bed had three patches of dark brown spots in it...which are the beginning of dinos. I know this from lots of experience with dinos.

And that's when I finally put two and two together...shutting the filter off was prohibitive as the leftover over food that was being collected and broken down to fuel growth was no longer there. My nitrates and phosphates had dropped, algae had died off, coralline was dying off, dinos were starting, and my corals were no longer growing. What I thought was me adding a bag of new sand to the tank causing problems turned out to be not the right guess.

Since then I have upped my feedings of the tank and am now leaving the filter on again. The dinos that were once 3 different patches on the sand are now down to one small area and my corals are looking healthy again. I'm assuming I'm back on the right path with things but it's mindblowing how something so simple could have such a profound effect on my entire tank ecosystem.
 
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My last reef tank started growing coralline immediately and aggressively. And I wasn't exactly attentive with that system. I rarely checked my water, wasn't religious about water changes, and the tank wasn't very clean.

My new system has been running since June and I only have a few spots of coralline on the rock I used to seed the tank. Those spots aren't growing or spreading. What gives? Am I being impatient?

I'm new to the hobby and just recently set up my tank about 7 months ago. I used coralline algae plates from Indo-Pacific sea farm to seed it. I started with dry white rock, some pieces have more than others, but what I have noticed is it seems to grow a lot faster under the rock and away from the light. Maybe try turning down the light a bit?

I also put the plates in my return sump and DT and would brush them with a toothbrush from time to time.

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I use TM Pro salt, alk at 7 and I have corraline. Radion G5 Pro over a 34g RSR170.
 
I'm new to the hobby and just recently set up my tank about 7 months ago. I used coralline algae plates from Indo-Pacific sea farm to seed it. I started with dry white rock, some pieces have more than others, but what I have noticed is it seems to grow a lot faster under the rock and away from the light. Maybe try turning down the light a bit?

I also put the plates in my return sump and DT and would brush them with a toothbrush from time to time.

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I have plenty of areas that are sheltered or partially sheltered from the lights. I have over 250 lbs of rock in the tank and it's arranged so I have a good mix of exposure or shade everywhere. I also have high flow at the top half of the tank for SPS and a little milder flow in the bottom half. Snails and hermits all over the place with healthy amounts of coralline, but not on the rock, pumps, or glass. I added some rubble with 4 different species of coralline, and from what I can tell it did nothing.
 
This is from ArcReef.com, where I bought two bottles of coralline algae:
"The average time for coralline spots to show up is in 8 weeks for tanks that run at a temperature of 78-81 degrees. If you are running your tank at a lower temperature than 78 or higher than 81 the spots can take a few additional weeks to show up."

It took 6-8 weeks for spots to start showing in my tank. That was about a year ago. Now, with my rock almost completely covered in coralline, new frags that I've glued get good-sized coralline spots on them in less than 2 weeks (that's on the glue/cement, not the coral itself). I think that coralline spreads across a tank primarily via spores.
 
I just looked through this thread and I didn't see anywhere that @GillMeister stated that he has other coral, such as SPS, growing. Is that correct?
I have 10 somewhat smaller SPS corals. All are healthy and colorful with one exception being a single Monti that had some necrosis. My birds nest and pocillipora are growing nearly 5mm per month.
 
This is from ArcReef.com, where I bought two bottles of coralline algae:
"The average time for coralline spots to show up is in 8 weeks for tanks that run at a temperature of 78-81 degrees. If you are running your tank at a lower temperature than 78 or higher than 81 the spots can take a few additional weeks to show up."

It took 6-8 weeks for spots to start showing in my tank. That was about a year ago. Now, with my rock almost completely covered in coralline, new frags that I've glued get good-sized coralline spots on them in less than 2 weeks (that's on the glue/cement, not the coral itself). I think that coralline spreads across a tank primarily via spores.
Admittedly, I'm closer to 78 degrees in my tank. That could be another factor to consider changing. Slowly. My last system with LPS and softies had coralline in a matter of several weeks but, i did run that system over 80F.
 
Are there any studies, other than your experience, to support it?
No direct support, you will have to believe my theory showing the connections between the calcium transport in coral polyps activated by 450 nm light and phosphate consumption.

Already decades ago I noticed a connection between nutrient levels/phosphate levels reportet and optimum alkalinity reported. With higher phosphate levels the optimum alkalinity was higher and also coral growth was higher. Alkalinity is one of the parameters most important for calcification, calcium and phosphate are the other ones.

With LED light I knew something is different to HQI and T5, the 450 nm light. This is exactly the wavelength that burned out first in HQI and T5. My first theory was that LED will improve coral keeping a lot, only practice showed, it did not. Many aquarists had and have problems with LED, but still I was and I am sure it is the 450 nm light that causes the difference.

When I read about the activation of calcium transport by 450 nm light in coral polyps I thought, maybe it is similar as with alkalinity, maybe phosphate is the key. I tried it and it turned out correct, phosphate is the key to coral growth under LED light. As a side effect also coralline algae grew better.

Besides phosphate trace metals may also play an additional role.
 
My tank has been 11 months old. Coralline grows on everywhere EXCEPT live rock. There's not a speck of it on the rock. It's just so wierd!
It just goes the opposite to my wish -- I want it on live rock and nowhere else.
 
My tank has been 11 months old. Coralline grows on everywhere EXCEPT live rock. There's not a speck of it on the rock. It's just so wierd!
It just goes the opposite to my wish -- I want it on live rock and nowhere else.
That's pretty normal/common - I'm not quite sure why coraline deposits so much slower on rock than it does glass/plastic - but IMO this is one of the major factors in people having issues with dry rock - the lack of coraline colonization means the tank consumes significantly less nitrate/Phosphate - and has way more surface for nuisance algaes.
 
That's pretty normal/common - I'm not quite sure why coraline deposits so much slower on rock than it does glass/plastic - but IMO this is one of the major factors in people having issues with dry rock - the lack of coraline colonization means the tank consumes significantly less nitrate/Phosphate - and has way more surface for nuisance algaes.

My tank is backwards...the coralline grows all over the rocks but I never get anything on the glass. Even going bare bottom for a year it never grew on the glass. I started with 80% dry rock and 20% fully established live rock.
 
My tank is backwards...the coralline grows all over the rocks but I never get anything on the glass. Even going bare bottom for a year it never grew on the glass. I started with 80% dry rock and 20% fully established live rock.
Did you start your tank with live rock, or dry rock? This is one of the key differences between my current tank and my previous one. Even though there wasn't much coralline on the live rock when I added it to the old tank, it established very quickly. The new one has nothing growing on what was dry rock. I've had water flowing since July and lights on since August, but no coralline yet.
 
Did you start your tank with live rock, or dry rock? This is one of the key differences between my current tank and my previous one. Even though there wasn't much coralline on the live rock when I added it to the old tank, it established very quickly. The new one has nothing growing on what was dry rock. I've had water flowing since July and lights on since August, but no coralline yet.

Both...my post says I started with 80% dry and 20% live. In previous tanks, I started with all dry rock and had nothing but problems (lots of hair algae, dinos, etc...)...since I set up a new tank with both live and dry rock, things have been going much better. I will never again set up another tank using only dry rock.
 
I started my current tank with 100% dry rock. Coralline covers everywhere the lights shine. Before I added two T5 bulbs this spring, it only grew where LEDs shined directly, typically on top-facing rocks under lights. After T5s, I have coralline coverage on all sides of my rock.

In my previous tank, when I had MH lights, coralline grew everywhere, rock and tank walls (acrylic). Modern LEDs are so much more focused that I don't think we should expect coralline (or coral) to grow just anywhere in our tanks.

When my chaeto died last year, due to lack of iron, I believe the large release of phosphate inhibited coral and coralline growth in my tank for months. After installing a GFO reactor and getting it down to less than 0.2ppm, my coralline started to spread much faster and my corals started growing again.

There is not just one thing that keeps our corals from flourishing.
 
I started my current tank with 100% dry rock. Coralline covers everywhere the lights shine. Before I added two T5 bulbs this spring, it only grew where LEDs shined directly, typically on top-facing rocks under lights. After T5s, I have coralline coverage on all sides of my rock.

In my previous tank, when I had MH lights, coralline grew everywhere, rock and tank walls (acrylic). Modern LEDs are so much more focused that I don't think we should expect coralline (or coral) to grow just anywhere in our tanks.

When my chaeto died last year, due to lack of iron, I believe the large release of phosphate inhibited coral and coralline growth in my tank for months. After installing a GFO reactor and getting it down to less than 0.2ppm, my coralline started to spread much faster and my corals started growing again.

There is not just one thing that keeps our corals from flourishing.
What's interesting about this is how different your experience with phosphate is compared to Hans-Werner in this thread. He claims higher phosphate encouraged coralline in his tank.
 

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