Envy Orange???

[JGoslee]

Nice score khuzhong!

They all look pretty much the same to me. That dark circle most likely will go away under high lighting. Different lighting is going to change the look. Just like most people eaters look different in high light than they do in low light. The same is going to happen with these.

 

[FragCity]

Beautiful Palys regardless of linage. I have a few polyps and they seem to be holding their brilliance.

Sweet acquisition!

 

[Eklikewhoa]

I just scored a big colony of these "Orange Envys" myself and they a bright orange color compared to my RPE's and they lack the white stripes/specs like PE's have.

 

[surfn]

JMO......but all the pics posted here look like OPE's to me.

why do people prefer to call them orange enveys instead of OPE's? probably b/c they are "worth" more b/c the name.

i would only call a paly orange enveys if they came from the original lineage (can't remember the guys name)......JMO.

 

[Eklikewhoa]

So you would not categorize newly collected specimens closely resembling OE's cause they did not come from the guy to found them first?

 

[Raptor]

Then the train of thought would keep ppe's name to lineage traced frags?
My thoughts are If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck,looks like a duck then call it a duck.

 

[JGoslee]

Then the train of thought would keep ppe's name to lineage traced frags?
My thoughts are If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck,looks like a duck then call it a duck.

I agree completely.

 

[surfn]

then why not call it an OPE (orange people eater)??

the only reason people are preferring to call them orange enveys over orange people eaters is b/c they think it will make them worth more.

 

[143gadgets]

In this case I agree with Al. I don't normally care about lineage when talking about palys and zoas, but in this case I think Al is right. Now LPS and SPS are two that I'm critical about.

 

[Eklikewhoa]

Who is to say that Orange Envy's are not just a morph of OPE's?

Well mine do not have the dark center like OPE's.....would they be considered or worthy of the name Envy Orange? Regardless of what "name" it would be called I think they are cool sitting next to my PPRPE's....

 

[surfn]

the point is, they are orange, and they are people eaters.....hence they are orange people eaters.

purple people eaters are just that, purple, and people eaters. same thing goes for red people eaters.

you can't call your purple people eater from Blane Perun lineage unless you know for a fact that it is. Orange Enveys came named from a single strain that a guy named 2 years ago, if they didn't come from that strain, they aren't Orange Envey's, they are just Orange People Eaters. its really pretty simple, but this entire hobby has gone crazy with naming crap in order to make money.

the only reason i can see people would want to call their orange morph an orange envey over an OPE is market value b/c they think they stand to make money off of them just b/c of the name.

 

[Eklikewhoa]

So what makes that strain different from OPE's other then renaming them and selling for the higher cost?

Not trying to be an butt but they both look the same to me....

 

[revhtree Verified Admin]

So what makes that strain different from OPE's other then renaming them and selling for the higher cost?

Not trying to be an butt but they both look the same to me....

My thoughts exactly......

 

[surfn]

So what makes that strain different from OPE's other then renaming them and selling for the higher cost?

Not trying to be an butt but they both look the same to me....

they very well could be the same. but its just kosher in this hobby not to try and mimick someone elses strain of coral.

by calling it an orange people eater, is just that. its orange, and its a people eater. so there is no question as to its name.

by calling it an orange envey, you are signifying that it came from the original strain that was named by the original owner who was selling polyps for $600/each several years ago. if you didn't get it from that particular strain, its not an orange envey.


here is an LPS example. watermelon chalices.....there are TONS of watermelon chalice varients out there. but you can't just pick up a wild watermelon chalice colony from the LFS one day and come home and call it the Tyree Watermelon chalice. there are subtle differences that some people refuse to acknowledge b/c they are more interested in making $$ of a name.

as an SPS example........the GARF bonsai. this coral's lineage has gotten completely messed up b/c its hyped popularity. now every person who picks up a purple acro valida with green polyps calls it a GARF bonsai acro, even though it has absolutely no lineage back to the original GARF bonsai strain. sure, both corals may be exactly the same species and color to the novice hobbyist, but those that have been in the hobby longer notice subtle differences that make these harder to find corals with lineage much more special than their wild counterparts.


ok, getting off my soapbox now. stuff like this is exactly why i never wanted to be a part of the ZoaID council......lol.

 

[Eklikewhoa]

I understand the whole "Tyree" "Garf" thing but no one knows the name of the guy who named the Envy Orange and that guy doesn't have a line of corals named after him like Tyree or what not.

We are comparing a single zoanthus to a long line of different SPS... IMO they are all OPE's but mine are "Envied Oranges"

:hammer:

 

[surfn]

I understand the whole "Tyree" "Garf" thing but no one knows the name of the guy who named the Envy Orange and that guy doesn't have a line of corals named after him like Tyree or what not.

We are comparing a single zoanthus to a long line of different SPS... IMO they are all OPE's but mine are "Envied Oranges"

:hammer:

allot of us here know the guy who named them (it just skips my mind at the moment), and have many agruements/conversations that looked exactly like this one.

here is a zoa example. now that PPE's have started coming in from the wild, no one distinguishes "Blane Perun PPE's" with lineage anymore from regular PPE's. the reason most likely is b/c they are exactly the same coral, and you can't tell the lineage coral apart from its wild counterpart. so essentially, the lineage of PPE's is rather meaningless now......so there is no point to use it anymore.

i see envey oranges and OPE's as exactly the same situation. now that orange people eaters are coming in from the wild, and you can't tell them apart from the original strain of envey oranges......why bother keeping track of which is which since people will name them whatever they feel like........and it will most likely be envey oranges so people can make $$ off of the famous name.

the entire group should just be consolidated into "Orange People Eaters" now that they are going to start coming in from the wild. Otherwise I can guarantee that people will start to get bent out of shape when they see these wild orange people eaters start to pop up on the RC selling forum and ebay for $200/polyp, and people start to ask for lineage of the person's "envey orange"......but the person doesn't have a lineage. it will happen, and it will cause allot of problems with people getting into arguments involving money and how much those corals are worth........all just because a name.

 

[gflat65]

I think it was RC username Juan Carlos with the first EO's.

 

[Eklikewhoa]

I guess it makes sense....but then again all of them had to come from the wild at one point or another.

 

[surfn]

I think it was RC username Juan Carlos with the first EO's.

yeah, thats the guy. what was his website called again? i don't have it saved anymore.

btw...your avatar rocks!

I guess it makes sense....but then again all of them had to come from the wild at one point or another.

yeah, can't tell you how many times i've heard the "it all comes from the wild at some point" line from people who don't care about lineage of a coral. :hammer:

 

[jonbar1]

Juan Carlos of Reef Envy was the original guy with the solid orange PE's, hence the name Envy Orange PE. It's the same as calling blue zoas Tubs Blues, just because they are blue instead of identifying them as having come from Tubs himself. The ID name and the lineage names have gotten a little blurry compared to SPS and LPS collectors, but I hope they're the same polyp and the market floods with them...I never liked how the monopoly of a coral makes the price skyrocket.