Help! Sky high nitrates and Algea

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Purchased 2 year up and running reef, 120g. Scaped the rocks( we’re out of the water no more than 2.5 hours) added bio spira, and then performed water changes out of anxiety( 5 gallon bucket) and tested daily. Perfect readings for 10 days. Only thing in there was a 4/5 hermits, What looks like small polyps, And a mushroom.
Added 2 clowns , cleaner shrimp, and gramma 5 days ago now. Yesterday nitrate tested at 40 ppm. Changed 15 gallons of water last night. Came home and now I have algea , only on certain rocks, some purple and my nitrates testes today at 160ppm! what the heck. Please help! Besides water change how can I get those numbers down. And oddly enough fish seem happy and normal.
 
Are you using RoDi water for your water changes? It's possible that 2.5 hours out of the water killed off enough stuff thay it is now decaying in your tank. I would continue to do water changes to bring your levels down.
 
The product that you used to cycle the tank only claims that it adds bacteria for breaking down ammonia and nitrite. This could be why you're having issues, because the cycle is not complete. It also claims that it is so that fish can go in your aquarium, and not corals. Generally fish can handle much higher nitrate levels than other inverts. Just my two cents. If I were you I would reduce the lighting so that not as much algae grows, until you have enough bacteria to break down the nitrate. Just my thoughts, but I don't have much experience in this situation.
 
mixing saltwater as we speak and yes RODI. Bc a picture is worth a thousand words....

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Also only some rocks and not others... is that normal. Turning lights off for the weekend. Really was only using them bc the clowns acted off with no lights ....
 
Also have been adding few drops of this a day

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Using api water test kit: PH 8.0/8.2. Ammonia 0. Nitrite 0.
 
Lights off , while hauling buckets for a change and algea has gotten worse in those 2 hours .... should I be researching more of a CUC at this point?
 
So was up til 2, changed 30 gallons out... and I feel all for nothing. Water has never been clearer and fish seem happy. What is causing this????

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Nitrates are a bit high indicative of a mini cycle. No need to panic. Hold what you have and observe for the next few days. Maybe another water change in 3-4 days. If you are concerned about an algae outbreak begin dosing Vibrant. Great thread on the use of this product.
I wouldn’t add more CUC without quarantining them first in a fishless QT for 76 days. No need to risk adding undesirable parasites that could infect the fish.
 
Using api water test kit: PH 8.0/8.2. Ammonia 0. Nitrite 0.

There is the culprit right there IMHO. API is notoriously inaccurate for nitrates. Go with Salifert, Red Sea, etc.
 
Salifert is the answer to test kits. I've used them all, Salifert is, in my experience, the most accurate, with the least amount of 'play' in results. Red Sea is too spotty, but it's an okay second place. Hanna is great for Alk if you clean it religiously and thoroughly -- a speck of water will completely throw off hannah results.
 
Are they costly? And r the API that trash that it would give me high readings 3 days in a row?
 
And thank you all for responding
 
Are they costly? And r the API that trash that it would give me high readings 3 days in a row?

They average about $15 a piece. Some more, some less. The obscure ones can be like $30 each, but the super common ones can be $10-12.

They are ridiculously more accurate -- This does not mean your test kits are wrong. We just have a bias towards accuracy. The ideal is if you aren't sure of your test results, we don't know where to go from there.

Are your results laser accurate? No.

Are your results within the realm of accurate? Most likely.

But knowing for a fact that an accurate test kit is giving you an accurate answer is akin to getting information from an expert vs the average joe (API).

It's very likely you had a mini cycle. 2.5 hours is WAY more than enough for some die off. Some sponges die if they are pulled out of water for only a moment -- SO that probably happened. To lower no3 there's a lot of options. From dosing vinegar/vodka, to big water changes (probably the worst method of nutrient export), to skimming very wet. Lots of options.
 
Do you have a few more options? Don’t know what “skimming wet” is
 
Do you have a few more options? Don’t know what “skimming wet” is

So skimming wet, is adjusting your skimmer to pull lighter colored water rather than darker, thicker, scummy water. The idea is skimming "dry" will get you more concentrated stuff, while allowing some of the lighter nutrients to not be pulled out, and skimming "wet" pulls out everything, and gives you watery light-colored skimmate -- Basically not allowing anything through, and filtering out everything.

The difference basically boiling down to;
- Skimming "Dry" = Removing the biggest tank polluters
- Skimming "Wet" = Stripping the water of everything

As for options;
- Bacteria
- carbon dosing (vodka/vinegar)
- skimming wet
- water changes
- adding bio media (Seachem Matrix, Siporax, Maxspect's new bio balls -- Need to dose bacteria, takes a few months)
- siphoning sand when doing water changes
- running filter socks and changing every few days (especially if stirring sand)
- blowing detritus off the rockwork
- adding clean up crew critters that eat detritus (starfish, micro brittle stars, spaghetti worms)

For the average person I suggest getting a Liter or Two of Seachem Matrix bio media, throwing it in the sump (in a little box or mesh bag) and dosing bacteria. This will definitely take time.. But it will help keep things stable.

For Bio Media -- What I've noticed;

- Siporax -- will strip your water clean. This can be ideal for SOME people (especially those with LARGE tanks that have a lot of fish activity) but for the average smaller / unestablished tank, I personally don't like this media.

- Seachem Matrix -- my favorite. It doesn't "over perform" if that makes sense. It won't strip your tank clean, but will make a notable difference. With Siporax I had to constantly dose nutrients. With Seachem Matrix it seemed to just keep things steady. I don't get nutrient creep (increasing nutrient numbers) BUT, I also don't get a big loss. It seems very well buffered, and helps keep things stable, without doing too much, or too little. It's subtle, I suppose I might say.

- MaxSpect BioBalls -- The new kid on the block, supposedly the most dense media you can get. I might be concerned this would overporform, but if that's the case you can just remove some.

- Brightwell Aquatics BioBricks -- The worst. They probably work just fine, but they crumble to dust eventually. If they address this, I'm sure it'll be absolutely fine.

Bacterias I like
- AquaForest Pro Bio S (probiotic bacteria)
- AquaForest Bio S (regular nitrifying bacteria)
- Dr Tims bacteria (Various -- I've found I like them all honestly)

As for Carbon Dosing -- Carbon dosing feeds the bacteria in your tank, allowing them to take over and lower nutrients

- Vinegar -- I suggest vinegar over Vodka, as it's less strong, and does NOT influence cyanobacteria growth
- Vodka -- A little goes a long way, influences cyanobacteria
- NoPox -- A mix of Vodka, Vinegar, and RODI water -- Look up DIY recipes, or just use vinegar.

Vinegar is the safest option.

Other people may recommend DeNitrators, or Seachem DeNitrate media (which is like their matrix, but even better at denitrification), others may recommend Seachem POND matrix (much larger, thicker, and also great for denitration). People could advocate sand filters, putting a small DSB (deep sand bed) section in your sump -- and all kinds of stuff.


Since the dawn of reefkeeping, people have been devising ways to destroy no3. Really, as long as it's under 25 I think you're just fine. At around 80-ish... You could stand to lose some.

The basic cardinal rules of reefing are simple;
1) Don't freak out
2) Things will die (refer to rule #1)
3) You will screw up (refer to rule #2, #1)

The more I see people do this, and the more I see them freak out over every little thing. The more I being to believe this hobby is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you believe everything is going wrong, everything is gonna die, and you are going to fail -- Then it'll happen. Either by you being too nervous to do the right thing, or you being too anxious and end up doing the wrong thing.

Everyone hits the nirvana moment when they realize the truth behind our hobby -- It's actually really easy... The only difference from person to person is how long it takes for that to sink in.
 
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Thank you very much for the detailed response and taking the time to explain some options. I owe you a beer. I have some store credit from trading in koi from my old pond, so will see which of those options they carry.... need some salt anyhow from all the water changes :rolleyes:
 
Where do you stand on the lights on/off thing at this time. Off to prevent algea or on bc you want to go through an “algea stage”? Also seeing some dark red spots show up today. Diatoms? Cyano? And some spreading grey Stoney area ? No clue

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