Help with making my undata look good
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sanddune600
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I have had this coral for 1 year that pic I just posted was taken on 11-08-2008 my system has been very stable with 1 set back about 9 months ago I had a kalk scare
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sanddune600
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I just dont understand why mine doesnt look like that I fragged a piece and put it in a friends tank and it looks like that after a month in his tank I have good lights flow water quality I dont know whats up with it all my other corals look great
ReeferRob
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Im sorry I know its hard to hear being that its in your tank and you know the history or lineage, and I am not attempting or intentionally being a "D" nor an expert on anything. But from my eyes there is no way in hell that is a undata frag in the very first picture.
For one, unless you used the craziest macro lense on the planet undata polyps are not that big, don't get that big, are not that closely packed, don't get elongated like that or sway in the flow like that.
I would bet both pinkie toes that that is a Avlepora or another LPS of some type. But absolutely not an SPS especially not an undata.
There had to be a mix up in the frags you got or something.
For one, unless you used the craziest macro lense on the planet undata polyps are not that big, don't get that big, are not that closely packed, don't get elongated like that or sway in the flow like that.
I would bet both pinkie toes that that is a Avlepora or another LPS of some type. But absolutely not an SPS especially not an undata.
There had to be a mix up in the frags you got or something.
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Nanofins
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I'm sorry guys, but I have to disagree, and I think somebody is going to be missing their pinkie toes (don't send them to me).
While that is some crazy polyp extension, monti polyps, specifically undata, can and do get very large for an sps. If you look closely at the picture, you can not only see the contours of the piece match the pic of when he first got it, but you can also see patches where the smooth "skin" of the coral is exposed in patches and matches the monti. Alveopora and Goniopra do not have smooth, open patches of tissue/skeleton between polyps. Those smooth, raised nodules are indicative of the monti it is. It's just a really blown up shot. In low flow areas and in nutrient rich tanks is it common for montis to get a denser distribution of polyps. That is some crazy polyp extension, but there must be some unique causal factor for that. High concentrations of aminos does seem to encourage polyp extension, and it's not entirely the first time I've seen sps with overextended polyps.
While that is some crazy polyp extension, monti polyps, specifically undata, can and do get very large for an sps. If you look closely at the picture, you can not only see the contours of the piece match the pic of when he first got it, but you can also see patches where the smooth "skin" of the coral is exposed in patches and matches the monti. Alveopora and Goniopra do not have smooth, open patches of tissue/skeleton between polyps. Those smooth, raised nodules are indicative of the monti it is. It's just a really blown up shot. In low flow areas and in nutrient rich tanks is it common for montis to get a denser distribution of polyps. That is some crazy polyp extension, but there must be some unique causal factor for that. High concentrations of aminos does seem to encourage polyp extension, and it's not entirely the first time I've seen sps with overextended polyps.
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gilmour01
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i 100% agree. i've never seen polyp extension like that on a monti, but it seems pretty clear from the progression pics that it is indeed an undata. at least its not dying, so things could be worse. very,very strange for sure.
CoralBandit
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Weird could be due to high temps... Refer to Revs post about "Jackyl and Hyde" put in search. I have access to journals through my med school and read the article, albeit the studies were done in vitro it definitely leads one to believe there is an indeed metabolic change in the Zoanthellae housed in the coral and could cause "abnormal" side affects. But this is just for piece of mind in case you cant find another answer :wink:
Reef Pets
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Just going by what I see. This photo compared to the first one with the polyp extension, they do not come close to being the same coral. The one in the photo below has several bare spots (like a undata typically has) but the first photo is absolutely covered in polyps and has no signs of bare spots.
I have never seen montis with that much extension, I did not know that it was possible.
I am not going against what you are saying but by the photo I would bet money that its not a monti. On the other hand, I am going by a photo and you are able to see it in person.
I have never seen montis with that much extension, I did not know that it was possible.
I am not going against what you are saying but by the photo I would bet money that its not a monti. On the other hand, I am going by a photo and you are able to see it in person.
oops forgot the pic
I'm pretty sure the guy knows what coral he has. I'm also pretty surprised at the amount of people on here that are 100% certain this isn't an undata, why is it so impossible? On occasion I've had montipora, specifically my old montipora verrucosa, have it's polyps swell up so much sometimes that they looked like they were going to burst.
I'm with nanofins, if you look really colsely in bewtween the huge polyps you can see the brown base of the undata, and it's very obvious pronounced verrucae(bumpyness lol) that is indicitive of undata species.
As far as making your undata look better, I would try and move it up into some more light and some stronger flow. With the increased flow over the coral it may force it's polyps to stay a bit more retracted and smaller in size.
Also, just to prove all of the the nay sayers wrong, I think you should post a pic after you agitate it a bit with a turkey baster or something, so the polyps retract and we can see that beautiful brown undata base :-0
I'm with nanofins, if you look really colsely in bewtween the huge polyps you can see the brown base of the undata, and it's very obvious pronounced verrucae(bumpyness lol) that is indicitive of undata species.
As far as making your undata look better, I would try and move it up into some more light and some stronger flow. With the increased flow over the coral it may force it's polyps to stay a bit more retracted and smaller in size.
Also, just to prove all of the the nay sayers wrong, I think you should post a pic after you agitate it a bit with a turkey baster or something, so the polyps retract and we can see that beautiful brown undata base :-0
They defnitely can as I've seen it in my own tank...What makes you so certain it's alveopora? Just the polyps? The base skeleton that is showing is clearly not that of alveopra, but hey the polyps are big and look like it so it must be...
i did not say i was certain, i'm just going by the look, shape, clove count on polyps. even color.
check out this montipora/alve
not my pic or coral:
Obv the polyps on that coral are not as inflated as the one in the original post, but I just wanted people to see that huge PE on montipora can and does happen .
not my pic or coral:
Obv the polyps on that coral are not as inflated as the one in the original post, but I just wanted people to see that huge PE on montipora can and does happen .
