Hydros and BRS?

[JeffB418]

Sounds like they may have updated them to work on 5ghz because they certainly didn't early on. I would absolutely contact CoralVue directly to get clarification.

I had nothing but issues with their wifi chips and my network. I even bought a dedicated 2.4ghz AP that Carlos told me to get. It never solved the issues and my IT/ISP buddy found it to be the wifi chips that Hydros used.

The espressif wireless SoC that Hydros uses only supports 2.4GHz radio. I don't think any espressif SoCs that are publically available today support 5GHz radios, they announced a few years back that they were coming out with one but I am unsure if it ever came out publicly. https://www.espressif.com/en/news/ESP32-C5

 

[rtparty]

The espressif wireless SoC that Hydros uses only supports 2.4GHz radio. I don't think any espressif SoCs that are publically available today support 5GHz radios, they announced a few years back that they were coming out with one but I am unsure if it ever came out publicly. https://www.espressif.com/en/news/ESP32-C5

Thanks.

There was a user calling everyone a liar because their Hydros works on 5ghz even though multiple people chimed in that’s impossible

 

[shred5]

How will they know if you’re a doctor or not? The adult viewer has accountability as well to not believe everything they see.

You have someone check for proof. All the money they make they can hire people to ask and check for proof on videos like this. Every doctor has a license to practice.

It is on you to do research and figure out who people are. How would they verify every single person uploading videos? That’s impossible.

What if they’re a doctor from another country and YouTube has no way to verify them? They just get silenced?

Again, we have more than three years worth of recent data to show just how horribly this turns out for the population as a whole

Did I say check every video? I am done replying to you because you are saying stuff just to argue and putting stuff in my mouth I never said.

 

[JeffB418]

Thanks.

There was a user calling everyone a liar because their Hydros works on 5ghz even though multiple people chimed in that’s impossible

Yep, physically impossible. I could dig up info/pictures on the specific SoC used and provide datasheets on the radio capabilities if needed.

 

[Reefer Matt Verified Media Partner]

YouTube should be responsible for content posted. All the money they make, videos should be reviewed first and stuff should be verified..

Did I say check every video? I am done replying to you because you are saying stuff just to argue and putting stuff in my mouth I never said.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Most IoT devices are and will be 2.4 only for many reasons ranging from cost to range and backward compatibility with most APs.

If an IoT device has both 2.4 and 5 radios, then it must navigate band steering and all kinds of other crap, making support infinitely harder. So most IoT vendors opt (for the reasons above and more) for 2.4 only radios.

The insane misconception, often propagated by the very vendors themselves, is that a 2.4 "only" device needs a dedicated 2.4 network. Reality the device can't see and doesn't care about 5 GHz networks, no matter what the SSID is.

Mesh networks. If you have a mesh network setup that extends nodes by band steering between 2.4 and 5 and the IoT device is connected to a 2.4 node and it somehow switches to 5 only, then yes the device will disconnect.

BUT the issue is your crap network, not the IoT device. The same issue will cause wifi calls to drop, downloads to crap out, streams to glitch etc.

Lastly - many IoT chipsets struggle with oddball 2.4 radio settings and/or interference. As much of a "standard" as wifi should be, it is not and many vendors take liberties with default settings or simply have long (very long) term unresolved bugs that they don't care to fix because they don't affect most sophisticated (mobile phone and computer) wireless clients.

 

[Reefing Madness]

I wonder if most people don't realize that almost every AP these days carry the 2.4 and the 5, then say it connected to the 5, when in reality its the 2.4 its connected to.
And this is quoted from the Hydros web page:
"WARNING: The Control is NOT compatible with 5GHz WiFi. If your WiFi network is not listed, most likely, your router is broadcasting a 5GHz signal ONLY. Please get in touch with your Internet Service Provider or Router manufacturer to assist you in enabling the 2.4GHz WiFi network."

 

[TBSB2019]

I wonder if most people don't realize that almost every AP these days carry the 2.4 and the 5, then say it connected to the 5, when in reality its the 2.4 its connected to.
And this is quoted from the Hydros web page:
"WARNING: The Control is NOT compatible with 5GHz WiFi. If your WiFi network is not listed, most likely, your router is broadcasting a 5GHz signal ONLY. Please get in touch with your Internet Service Provider or Router manufacturer to assist you in enabling the 2.4GHz WiFi network."

Agreed with this. My router/modem has both and switches automatically. It doesn't tell you which it is on.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Agreed with this. My router/modem has both and switches automatically. It doesn't tell you which it is on.

To be clear the client switches, not the access point. Clients that have both 2.4 and 5 can choose using several different methods and technologies based on signal strength and other metrics and what is called "band steering".

Consumer access points are not sophisticated (at all) and don't talk to each other or enable client hand off from one AP to another.

Enterprise access points have advanced features to HELP clients hand-off from one AP to another (think of walking the length of a mile long warehouse or large mall or building) and this (in theory) prevents dropped calls and similar issues).

All beyond the scope of this conversation.

 

[jhadaway]

I've been keeping up with this thread for a few days. For me it's simple. Ryan and Randy taught me a ton and guided me through my second shot at reefing. I would have failed without YouTube. Now it seems they will be gone and their content will come to an end. Whoever owns who/what/when and where seems a corporate giant making corporate decisions to feed shareholders, not a couple of guys trying to help me out that I feel loyal too. That's the American way I guess and that's fine I guess. I bought lots of coral from Tidal Gardens, because he taught me tons. I'll soon be buying lots from WWC, because they all have taught me tons. I buy farm raised fish to support what they are doing. I'll still buy from BRS when the price is right, but I don't feel any loyalty toward them anymore and this whole thing seems a little bully-ish. Without the YouTube content I don't think BRS would be what it is and I think they will decline without it. To each thier own.

 

[BeanAnimal]

not a couple of guys trying to help me out that I feel loyal too.

But were they a couple of guys to be loyal to, or was that just good marketing tugging on the right heart strings by a couple of guys that just wanted your money?

It is a rhetorical question. There is no verifiable correct answer. Just food for thought.

 

[Ef4life]

Hydros haul arrived!!! Thank you brs

 

[jhadaway]

But were they a couple of guys to be loyal to, or was that just good marketing tugging on the right heart strings by a couple of guys that just wanted your money?

It is a rhetorical question. There is no verifiable correct answer. Just food for thought.

If you watch enough of their videos, they seem pretty genuine to me. I like to think I can spot a snake oil salesman. or a fish oil salesman...

 

[n2585722]

Hydros haul arrived!!! Thank you brs

if you are going to use them in a collective you will need a command bus cable and a couple of terminators. Also the power supply in the starter pack cannot be used when using another source of power on the command bus which the WELE is. So just use the WELE power supply. It does not connect to the command bus and there is a power port instead so the isolation circuit is built into the WELE controller. The power supply in the starter pack does not have this circuitry and that is why you do not want to use it. The WELE will power both controllers without any issues. I use the power supplies from the starter pack for setting up controllers before connecting them into the collective.

 

[Dragen Fiend]

BUT the issue is your crap network, not the IoT device. The same issue will cause wifi calls to drop, downloads to crap out, streams to glitch etc.

So very true. I've got a plethora of IOT devices all communicating with home assistant. Always bound to find a device that is problematic with my network. IOT devices are not always simple. As much as users want them to be plug and play. If a device works on my network then its working as advertised. If someone else has an issue. Its either a faulty device or its your network. Nothing in between.

 

[JeffB418]

If you watch enough of their videos, they seem pretty genuine to me. I like to think I can spot a snake oil salesman. or a fish oil salesman...

I think even Ryan got lied to or had the wrong impression of what would happen when he brought in Bertram. Early videos just after the accusation, he was so hopeful and full of energy. Talking about deep pockets for new investigates, and new products to revolutionize the industry. But a lot of those hyped things seemed to fall very short and likely disappointed even himself.

 

[Ef4life]

if you are going to use them in a collective you will need a command bus cable and a couple of terminators. Also the power supply in the starter pack cannot be used when using another source of power on the command bus which the WELE is. So just use the WELE power supply. It does not connect to the command bus and there is a power port instead so the isolation circuit is built into the WELE controller. The power supply in the starter pack does not have this circuitry and that is why you do not want to use it. The WELE will power both controllers without any issues. I use the power supplies from the starter pack for setting up controllers before connecting them into the collective.

Thanks for the info, I haven’t really looked at what all I need to run this properly, I’m not in a rush to set it up thankfully,

 

[goosemans]

BRS is greedy, sure. But so are hobbyists. I constantly see random people asking RIDICULOUS prices for frags and used reefing equipment. I have a lot of corals in my tank that need a trimming yet I’m hesitant to give them away to strangers fearing they’re just gonna post it online to make a few bucks. This hobby is expensive as it is, why are we trying to rip each other off

 

[areefer01]

Doctors disagree all the time. So which doctor is correct if they’re both doctors?

That isn't what he is saying. He is talking about credentials, certifications, etc. In other words they have met the authority requirements to say that they are a doctor or whatever it is they are professing to be.

To your point about disagreements you are correct. That is why we are allowed to get a second or third opinion.

 

[rtparty]

That isn't what he is saying. He is talking about credentials, certifications, etc. In other words they have met the authority requirements to say that they are a doctor or whatever it is they are professing to be.

To your point about disagreements you are correct. That is why we are allowed to get a second or third opinion.

No, they literally said to censor content as well as prove credentials. The latter will never be viable or happen. It is on the viewer to research that, not the platform.