I believe my flame angel has ich....

Jakepen · Dec 17, 2016

So my flame angel I think has ich. He has developed small white spots on his tail, and a few on his face. What do I do?

Brew12 · Dec 17, 2016

Jakepen said:
So my flame angel I think has ich. He has developed small white spots on his tail, and a few on his face. What do I do?

Can you post a picture? Is it in a quarantine tank or your display tank? What else is in the tank with him?

Can a #mods please move this to the fish disease thread?

Jakepen · Dec 17, 2016

Brew12 said:
Can you post a picture? Is it in a quarantine tank or your display tank? What else is in the tank with him?

Can a #mods please move this to the fish disease thread?

I can try and get a picture. He is in the DT. I may have, well I know I did it to myself. I brought home a wrasse a few weeks ago, and began to QT him, first fish I've put in QT. I planned on treating him with copper and prazipro, but I didn't. It was a lot to monitor the QT tank, my DT, and be a parent of a nine month old, with everything else I have going on. So last weekend I dropped him in my DT. Those are all poor excuses, and do not justify my inability to finish the QT process. As far as tank mates, one clown, a damsel, Randall goby, and the wrasse.

Brew12 · Dec 17, 2016

Jakepen said:
I can try and get a picture. He is in the DT. I may have, well I know I did it to myself. I brought home a wrasse a few weeks ago, and began to QT him, first fish I've put in QT. I planned on treating him with copper and prazipro, but I didn't. It was a lot to monitor the QT tank, my DT, and be a parent of a nine month old, with everything else I have going on. So last weekend I dropped him in my DT. Those are all poor excuses, and do not justify my inability to finish the QT process. As far as tank mates, one clown, a damsel, Randall goby, and the wrasse.

It happens, we all just do the best we can. Let's see if we can verify that this is ich.

Do you have the QT set up still, along with copper and the proper test kit?

Brew12 · Dec 17, 2016

I'm going to encourage you to read the first post in both these threads. They have some great information in them.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/ich-cryptocaryon-irritans.191226/
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/copper-treatment.193343/

Jakepen · Dec 17, 2016

So is the only way to treat him to completely remove him? And all my other fish? QT tank is only ten gallons.

Jakepen · Dec 17, 2016

And I do not have it set up, but can do so in a day. Have the treatment and tests still.

melypr1985 · Dec 17, 2016

Jakepen said:
So is the only way to treat him to completely remove him? And all my other fish? QT tank is only ten gallons.

Yes. To cure ick the fish must be removed and treated in a QT with the DT left fallow for 76 days. I'm sorry for the troubles.

4FordFamily · Dec 17, 2016

Jakepen said:
I can try and get a picture. He is in the DT. I may have, well I know I did it to myself. I brought home a wrasse a few weeks ago, and began to QT him, first fish I've put in QT. I planned on treating him with copper and prazipro, but I didn't. It was a lot to monitor the QT tank, my DT, and be a parent of a nine month old, with everything else I have going on. So last weekend I dropped him in my DT. Those are all poor excuses, and do not justify my inability to finish the QT process. As far as tank mates, one clown, a damsel, Randall goby, and the wrasse.

Believe me I understand - I have a 7 month old, a 2.5 year old, 3 dogs, 3 cats, and 4 running saltwater tanks. It's easy to cut corners but it gets you every time.

4FordFamily · Dec 17, 2016

melypr1985 said:
Yes. To cure ick the fish must be removed and treated in a QT with the DT left fallow for 76 days. I'm sorry for the troubles.

This.

Jakepen · Dec 17, 2016

melypr1985 said:
Yes. To cure ick the fish must be removed and treated in a QT with the DT left fallow for 76 days. I'm sorry for the troubles.

Dang. This is what I needed though, a slap in the face to really show me how important it is to QT. So all of my fish will need to be treated than right?

melypr1985 · Dec 17, 2016

Jakepen said:
Dang. This is what I needed though, a slap in the face to really show me how important it is to QT. So all of my fish will need to be treated than right?

Yes sir. I'm sorry that had to happen, but it will be a great learning experience at the same time

Jakepen · Dec 18, 2016

melypr1985 said:
Yes sir. I'm sorry that had to happen, but it will be a great learning experience at the same time

Thank you. You're right however, I learn best from my own mistakes. Was trying to move to quick. Won't make this mistake again. Have a fancy lid coming from artfully acrylic, won't be needing that for a while...so I can still add coral correct?

Jakepen · Dec 18, 2016

How do you guys suggest getting all my fish out? They are slippery jerks that will seek cover deep within rock.

melypr1985 · Dec 18, 2016

Jakepen said:
so I can still add coral correct?

If you must, add them at the very beginning of your fallow period. Corals and inverts should be QT'd as well since they can bring ick and velvet into the display. A simply fishless frag tank can make this pretty easy. Mine is only 20 gallons and simple to maintain.

Jakepen · Dec 18, 2016

melypr1985 said:
If you must, add them at the very beginning of your fallow period. Corals and inverts should be QT'd as well since they can bring ick and velvet into the display. A simply fishless frag tank can make this pretty easy. Mine is only 20 gallons and simple to maintain.

Okay, something else to think about than. So how long does ick stay dormant before showing itself? I got that angel probably a month ago, and he is just now showing signs. Was it possible he had it and just not showing the symptoms, or did it most likely come in from my wrasse?

Jakepen · Dec 18, 2016

Ahh I'm dreading this so much....

Jakepen · Dec 18, 2016

I think however I'll use this opportunity to get rid of my blue damsel, Randall goby and pistol shrimp.

jenreefer · Dec 18, 2016

Jakepen said:
How do you guys suggest getting all my fish out? They are slippery ******** that will seek cover deep within rock.

Well here is the removing fish from DT timeline for your quick reference:
Day one, carefully feed while holding net above tank so that you can carefully remove fish without any trauma to them. Carefully survey where all expensive corals are so you can avoid any damage to them. Feed, hover, feed swipe, swipe again, submerge entire arm into tank and find that all fish are now lodged into rocks. Get net caught on rock and cause a minor rock slide. No big deal, replace rock and decide to take a break.
Day two place borrowed trap in tank and feed only in trap to train fish to eat from trap. Fish sit outside the door and wait for food to drift out so they can eat in peace. No one is even remotely interested in entering the tomb of death. forums urge patience, but you are thinking that they are full of ******.
Day three, try feeding in trap again, all fish have set up shop underneath the trap waiting for the food to drift by. Try with the net again, just to get it caught on another piece of rock and cause a rockslide. Multiple pieces of coral are now MIA. All fish are again lodged in the rock.
Day four. Screw the trap, pull it out and start manically chasing fish with the net. One fish caught, but seems to be swimming sideways now. rest in the rock, now sand is up and cannot see anything. Will have to wait for it to clear. Decide to mix saltwater in a large plastic lug for rock removal if necessary. Feeling good about new plan. tomorrow will be the day..
Day five. Large plastic lug with new fresh saltwater is ready, start removing rock and coral to their new home, Will likely only need to remove a small amount to get the job done. After removing about half the rock, realize that water is cloudy again from all the movement, and will have to wait for it to clear. Three hours later, decide to try again, feed, net, more coral knocked off rocks. fish laughing now.
Day six, done with this, all rock removed to plastic lugs, all remaining corals moved to one corner. Let the fun begin. Two new larger nets purchased. Feed, chase, chase and chase some more. Ok, all regular fish out, a bit of damage and heavy breathing, but I mixed a drink and I will be fine. Now for the sand dwellers. A long piece of acrylic and a net in had, I go to work. First fish pops up and we are off to the races, dang how does he know to go right to the corner with the coral. Screw the coral, this ***** is coming out now. Caught and moved. One to go, dig, net and repeat.
Sitting a staring at my empty tank, I feel a momentary feeling of success, followed by a deep depression and lots of drinking. But hey, fish are out.

Jakepen · Dec 18, 2016

jenreefer said:
Well here is the removing fish from DT timeline for your quick reference:
Day one, carefully feed while holding net above tank so that you can carefully remove fish without any trauma to them. Carefully survey where all expensive corals are so you can avoid any damage to them. Feed, hover, feed swipe, swipe again, submerge entire arm into tank and find that all fish are now lodged into rocks. Get net caught on rock and cause a minor rock slide. No big deal, replace rock and decide to take a break.
Day two place borrowed trap in tank and feed only in trap to train fish to eat from trap. Fish sit outside the door and wait for food to drift out so they can eat in peace. No one is even remotely interested in entering the tomb of death. forums urge patience, but you are thinking that they are full of ******.
Day three, try feeding in trap again, all fish have set up shop underneath the trap waiting for the food to drift by. Try with the net again, just to get it caught on another piece of rock and cause a rockslide. Multiple pieces of coral are now MIA. All fish are again lodged in the rock.
Day four. Screw the trap, pull it out and start manically chasing fish with the net. One fish caught, but seems to be swimming sideways now. rest in the rock, now sand is up and cannot see anything. Will have to wait for it to clear. Decide to mix saltwater in a large plastic lug for rock removal if necessary. Feeling good about new plan. tomorrow will be the day..
Day five. Large plastic lug with new fresh saltwater is ready, start removing rock and coral to their new home, Will likely only need to remove a small amount to get the job done. After removing about half the rock, realize that water is cloudy again from all the movement, and will have to wait for it to clear. Three hours later, decide to try again, feed, net, more coral knocked off rocks. fish laughing now.
Day six, done with this, all rock removed to plastic lugs, all remaining corals moved to one corner. Let the fun begin. Two new larger nets purchased. Feed, chase, chase and chase some more. Ok, all regular fish out, a bit of damage and heavy breathing, but I mixed a drink and I will be fine. Now for the sand dwellers. A long piece of acrylic and a net in had, I go to work. First fish pops up and we are off to the races, dang how does he know to go right to the corner with the coral. Screw the coral, this ***** is coming out now. Caught and moved. One to go, dig, net and repeat.
Sitting a staring at my empty tank, I feel a momentary feeling of success, followed by a deep depression and lots of drinking. But hey, fish are out.

This is fantastic...