Ich

domination2580 · Jul 23, 2016

If im not mistaken copper treatment has to reach a certain theraputic level in the water column in order to have the best affects. BUT start off slow and add the copper over time until you get the theraputic level. Also something to think about is that copper wont kill the cysts formated so you have to treat for i believe 7 days straight. I wouldnt do water change till aftee the meds are conclusive.

domination2580 · Jul 23, 2016

The meds you get will have instructions on them so is read that for that specific meds

gashunk · Jul 23, 2016

so well the fish are gunna end up being in the qt for the full 76 days but i will only be doing the treatment for the 30days to make sure its gone so after i will do the water change

domination2580 · Jul 23, 2016

gashunk said:
so well the fish are gunna end up being in the qt for the full 76 days but i will only be doing the treatment for the 30days to make sure its gone so after i will do the water change

Now just to be safe id add an air stone. Copper can take a toll on fish so extra o2 isn't going to hurt.

gashunk · Jul 23, 2016

domination2580 said:
Now just to be safe id add an air stone. Copper can take a toll on fish so extra o2 isn't going to hurt.

already ahead on that piece lol since ive had freshwater ive had one on hand and have always kept it

so all i really need is the tank a powerhead a thermometer and some pvc as well as the ammonia badge test kit and copper! hopefully my lfs has all this in stock they gunna be lucky .-. also since i have to gradually raise the levels of the copper how long until i can add the fish to start the treatment i guess im asking how long will it take the ich to kill the fish cause its already been a couple days and i feel like im behind the eight ball

domination2580 · Jul 23, 2016

It all depends. They can attach to the body itself amd they can attach to the gills. If they are in the gills they will effect the breathing. A freshwater dip would help temporary relieve the fish and could get some of the trophants off of the fish.

domination2580 · Jul 23, 2016

But you want to have the fish in them start slowly adding the copper. Raise it a little bit each day. If i remember correctly it's a .5 level that's theraputic. @melpyr to verify.

RedoubtReef · Jul 23, 2016

Just want to throw out there that you may want to try hyposalinity treatment as opposed to any sort of copper medications. Fairly easy and easier on the fish's overall health.

gashunk · Jul 23, 2016

@Humblefish how do you feel about hyposalinity treatment?

domination2580 · Jul 23, 2016

I know humblefish is not a fan of the hypo method.
These latest pics look like ich to me as well. More info here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/ich-cryptocaryon-irritans.191226/<br /><br />Just don't use CP on a Hippo Tang. All other treatment options are fine. (Except I'm not really a big fan of hypo.)

domination2580 · Jul 23, 2016

That is humblefishs post

melypr1985 · Jul 23, 2016

Hi all! Ick can be a fickle beast... a weak or malnutritioned fish can succumb very quickly, while a healthy and robust specimen can hold out for quite a while. You'll want to put the fish in the QT and start dosing the copper. Domination is correct... take at a minimum, 5 days to raise the levels up to therapeutic levels. Once you've reached that level ( .5 for cuppramine and 1.5-2 for coppersafe) then start the 30 day clock. Do water changes as needed depending on if you develop ammonia or just to keep it clean. You want clean water for this as they can develop HLLE with poor water quality.

4FordFamily · Jul 23, 2016

melypr1985 said:
Hi all! Ick can be a fickle beast... a weak or malnutritioned fish can succumb very quickly, while a healthy and robust specimen can hold out for quite a while. You'll want to put the fish in the QT and start dosing the copper. Domination is correct... take at a minimum, 5 days to raise the levels up to therapeutic levels. Once you've reached that level ( .5 for cuppramine and 1.5-2 for coppersafe) then start the 30 day clock. Do water changes as needed depending on if you develop ammonia or just to keep it clean. You want clean water for this as they can develop HLLE with poor water quality.

Agree 100%

domination2580 · Jul 23, 2016

melypr1985 said:
Hi all! Ick can be a fickle beast... a weak or malnutritioned fish can succumb very quickly, while a healthy and robust specimen can hold out for quite a while. You'll want to put the fish in the QT and start dosing the copper. Domination is correct... take at a minimum, 5 days to raise the levels up to therapeutic levels. Once you've reached that level ( .5 for cuppramine and 1.5-2 for coppersafe) then start the 30 day clock. Do water changes as needed depending on if you develop ammonia or just to keep it clean. You want clean water for this as they can develop HLLE with poor water quality.

U have no idea how good that makes me feel melpyr lol i was confirmed by you! Lol

melypr1985 · Jul 23, 2016

domination2580 said:
U have no idea how good that makes me feel melpyr lol i was confirmed by you! Lol

Your so silly! Your doing well and learning fast. Oh and your absolutely correct... neither humblefish nor I like Hypo treatment a whole heck of a lot for most cases. There are some where it is ideal or warranted.

RedoubtReef · Jul 24, 2016

Here's a link to a hypo treatment. Thing you have to remember is that copper is a poison so your basically poisoning the fish. Some fish are extra sensitive to it, like angels, and you have to use even more caution. Also, you don't need to buy expensive test kits or medicines. Only additive you will need is baking soda that you will turn into sodium carbonate in your oven to correct pH. This only treats ich though, nothing else.
My method for new fish is to get the fish eating in QT for a day or two, then treat with prazipro, then start moving to hypo through water changes. So long as there are no diseases/parasites that appear in this process I don't use any other medications and the fish should be good to go.

http://www.reeffrontiers.com/threads/27155-A-Hyposalinity-Treatment-Process

gashunk said:
@Humblefish how do you feel about hyposalinity treatment?

melypr1985 · Jul 24, 2016

chichas said:
Here's a link to a hypo treatment. Thing you have to remember is that copper is a poison so your basically poisoning the fish. Some fish are extra sensitive to it, like angels, and you have to use even more caution. Also, you don't need to buy expensive test kits or medicines. Only additive you will need is baking soda that you will turn into sodium carbonate in your oven to correct pH. This only treats ich though, nothing else.
My method for new fish is to get the fish eating in QT for a day or two, then treat with prazipro, then start moving to hypo through water changes. So long as there are no diseases/parasites that appear in this process I don't use any other medications and the fish should be good to go.

http://www.reeffrontiers.com/threads/27155-A-Hyposalinity-Treatment-Process

Just as a side note here.... everyone should be aware that there are hypo resistant strains of ick out there. People run across them more often than you might think. It's also difficult to run true Hypo conditions correctly and consistently without an ATO on the tank for 30 days straight.

4FordFamily · Jul 24, 2016

melypr1985 said:
Just as a side note here.... everyone should be aware that there are hypo resistant strains of ick out there. People run across them more often than you might think. It's also difficult to run true Hypo conditions correctly and consistently without an ATO on the tank for 30 days straight.

Yes this is a good point! My hypo attempt without ATO was ineffective.