Let Me ID Your Wrasse!

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Let's cover male/female geoffroy/ornatus/choati all at once here. The characteristics of sex are not all that different amongst these three species.

M. geoffroy
facial pattern - continuous lines formed on male, broken lines on female
dorsal - males develop a large red spot at doral anterior
Older males lose the blue "background" on the body

Male:
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Female:
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M. ornatus
facial pattern - continuous lines formed on male, broken lines on female
anal fin - males develop a bold/wide nearly straight line, which has morphed from the zigzag line females posses
dorsal fin - similar pattern shift; males develop a continuous line in the dorsal; also gets a bright spot at the anterior
body pattern - the pattern becomes very uniform in the male
body color - males shift to a predominant green morphing from the more predominant brown female coloration

Male:
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Female:
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M. choati
anal fin - males develop a continuous line on the anal fin, morphing from the broken spots of the female (towards the body) - this is the most clear way to tell male/female apart here
facial coloration - older males do have more "blue" in the face between the orange stripes, but this is hard to distinguish on younger males.

Male:
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Female:
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^ based on that, I would call my ornatus a transitioning male if not a full male, and the potters a definitive female.

And I agree on the Chaoti mine is definitely a male
 
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Ah; I misunderstood such then. Sorry.

No problem. Still think mine is in the same boat (transitioning male) or male?

If transitioning, isn't there a chance with two other leopard males present that it will revert to female, albeit slight?
 
No problem. Still think mine is in the same boat (transitioning male) or male?

If transitioning, isn't there a chance with two other leopard males present that it will revert to female, albeit slight?
Yes, transitional male.

Technically yes, but it's also possible (and much more likely) for it to get "stuck" or held in transition by being subordinate to the other males. There's nothing biological which forces the transition to terminate.
 
Interesting. So it could remain "sub male" indefinitely or become a male more likely than become female again
 
Interesting. So it could remain "sub male" indefinitely or become a male more likely than become female again

Transitioning is a high energy process. Once it begins the process it takes a combination of stressors to turn the process around. However, social pressures can prevent it from going further forward. It is more likely in aquaria for the process to go forward and not back.
 
Can anyone ID this wrasse from this bad pic? I have a video that shows him much better (flashing) but for some reason I cannot upload it. Thanks in advance.

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Thanks, Hunter. That was my initial thought, but I wanted to be sure. I happened upon this guy earlier today and paid a whopping $59. Jackpot!

$59?! I paid over $200 for mine! Great score!
 
Can someone identify this guy? My wife picked him up today. She said the store "thought" that he was a Royal Flasher, but said they weren't for sure.

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