massive coral die off!!!!!!!!!!! :(

[Speg]

How typical of humans to think that we have no impact on our earth. I'm sure the Great Pacific Gyre where a garbage accumulation larger than the state of Texas is mother nature's problem as well huh?? Garbage Patch

Keep on driving your big *** SUV and think that all the trash and pollution we are putting out into the Earth will not come back to haunt us. One day the human race will no longer exist because the Earth will get tired of us.

It is threads like this that remind me of why I stopped participating on this forum. Unbelievable to me that so many people continue to not give a **** in this country. How pathetic!

I don't think you should not participate on this forum because of what someone else says/believes. That's their belief, would you want someone to not participate because of your belief? I'm sure you're heated about the topic, and it's a sad one to be sure, but you should be trying to get your point across in a calm manner so that you may be able to change one person's opinion--one person's opinion may help the world. Also, keep in mind that global warming, and other "scientist's theories" are really only ideas and thoughts on the subject. The belief that the world was created by a mass of heat and energy is a theory and no matter how many scientists agree with it, it's still just a theory. I believe in God's creation, but I won't get upset if someone has their own theory.

That being said....
We seem to have a mixed view of what the cause is and it's truly a minimalist vs a maximalist view. I'm not sure that I can buy the "global warming" hype due to the record LOWS we're always having (as well as record HIGHS). Honestly, our knowledge and records are far too short to even suggest that global warming is a real thing. We won't really have a good clue for a hundred more years or so--then we can really tell if things are heating up. However, I do believe that humans have a large impact on the world. Look at the oil leak that just happened off the coast of Florida--that wasn't "nature".

I'm sure that the reef will be able to slowly recreate itself and recover.

 

[Paul_N]

Stop living in a dream world and educate yourself: Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real - CNN.com

When people start using articles on CNN to "educate" themselves then we are truly lost as a planet....:embarrassed:

I am in the same boat as Speg. I believe we have an impact on this earth and need to be responsible but just not as pathetic as the extremists that run around like chicken little thinking the sky is falling. I am also certainly not arrogant to the point that I think that if someone does not agree with me they are uneducated or if they choose to drive an SUV they don't care about the planet.

 

[Stray32]

. I am also certainly not arrogant to the point that I think that if someone does not agree with me they are uneducated or if they choose to drive an SUV they don't care about the planet.

Bravo!

 

[johnanddawn]

every time one of these conversations come up on this forum or others it saddens me deeply as a science teacher. it makes me feel that as a whole we are failing in our education system.
i just can't believe how many people still do not understand our impact on the environment. global climate change, invasive species, degradation of ecosystems, loss of biodiversity, ozone destruction, oil and other localized toxin spills, acid rain and smog, agricultural run off, heavy metals and biomagnification and the list goes on
we are all guilty and until we accept some of that responsibility - nothing will change
and the worst part is that because of the some of the mechanisms of positive feedback on the system immediate action may not be soon enough
sad

 

[Troylee]

So I'm a bad person and don't care because I got a suv??? I have a family of 5 we don't fit in a little Honda accord 2 of my kids are in carseats still..,, to me that is a poor example of what is going on.... Geeze I guess god blessing me with 3 buetifull children was a bad thing because I forced to own a suv......
I'm not saying we don't have a impact we do for sure but the u.s. As a whole does a pretty good job IMO on there part.... I have a article somewhere of china where there is no regulations and it's bad!!!! Real bad!!!! But what do I know I'm just a single person with a view like the rest of us..... It saddens me to see this thread go the way it did.....

 

[revhtree Verified Admin]

This is a good topic to discuss so let's please keep the personal remarks out of the thread so we can leave it open. Thanks.

 

[Paul_N]

Here is an interesting site that discusses the evolution of the reefs. The reefs that we know today will evolve and change (for the good or bad) with or without us. Not saying we do not have an impact. Just an fyi.

Section C - Where did it all begin?

There are links at the bottom to other pages of the same piece also.

 

[coral diver]

I have been a diver for years and i have seen the devastation in the under water world people have to realize that we are the culprit to what is happening in our planet and what is being done to save the planet is a little bit late, JMO

And what the people at Key Largo are doing is a very good start i hope it work.

 

[Troylee]

it's really wierd imo...... ya we are doing more harm than good but alot of this is out of our hands also.... people were not around thousands of years ago to cause this so called global warming and bring the planet from the ice age..........it's a combination of us and mother nature taking it's course imo......im by far no scientist but that little example there has alot of logic behind it imo.....

 

[beaner_12]

they should make a huge chiller that could help the ocean

 

[Reef Goddess]

no difference

 

[110reef]

Why is Monsanto a bad company?

They are a company that develops products that create more food with limited resources, which is vital to feed the ever expanding population. Farmers use their products because they get better yields and higher quality at a lower cost. If the products didn't work, then the farmers would not buy them. The products have also been approved by the FDA, or they couldn't be used. Seems like a pretty good company to me...

 

[Reef Goddess]

writing

 

[Reef Goddess]

here is

 

[Stray32]

Time to close this thread, I don't appreciate people trying to shove their political and "green" agendas down my throat in a Reef Keeping forum.

 

[Reef Goddess]

a waste

 

[110reef]

Well, according to the above propaganda, which in my opinion is exactly what it is, Monsanto is running completely amok and ruining the world unabated. It seems that in your world the rules of supply and demand won't keep these guys in check, and apparently government regulation won't either. I would be interested in learning what system you propose to keep these big, bad, rogue corporations under control?

Yes, I live in the land of oil companies, and also chemical companies, and I in fact work for a company in a very similar line as Monsanto (and I am proud of our products and the benefits they provide to the world). And yes, occasionally accidents happen, maybe even massive oil spills, and occasionally some products turn out to be bad. And occasionally banks over-extend their lending, and occasionally Toyotas won't stop when they are supposed to, and occasionally someone can get burnt by coffee from McDonalds. Yet, the benefits of all these industries outweighs the occasional problem that comes up. Corporations are not entities unto themselves, but groups of people just like you and me that work there, or own stock in them. They are run by people who have flaws just like you and I do, and no matter what you may think, mistakes or bad judgement or un-expected results will always occur. If you have a 401K, I bet you even own stock in some of these corps, and as an owner, you are just as responsible as anyone else. That does not mean that Monsanto is a "bad" company, or that the FDA is ineffective, or that we should abolish banking, or quit making cars. We stop, take a look at what went wrong, take steps to reduce the liklihood of it happening again, and move on. That is life. Look at things that have gone by the wayside - DDT, agent orange, asbestos. No one intentionally said, lets kill a bunch of people with these products. They just had unforseen consequences, and eventually went away. How about tobacco - it is still around and going strong.

Relative to the environment, yes, people have had an impact. People have also stepped up and taken steps to reverse impacts when they are identified. I think you will find that the US is significantly cleaner than it was 30 years ago. I also suspect that the world will be much different in another 30 years than it is now. People will do their part. The earth will do its part. And more challenges will arise, and people will also address them. Maybe not as fast as you would like, but they will.

I applaud these people in Fl that are planting the corals. It is a great way to use their knowledge and skills to help the environment. At least, it seems like they are helping the environment....

 

[Paul_N]

Humans think that they should control everything in this world and that we have more of a right to it than the other creatures we share it with. If this is the case we should take our responsibility as its stewards seriously, instead of acting like children who think someone will come along and clean up our mess.

I'm confused, should we control everything or not? You say here likes it's a bad thing that we think we should control everything but then you say we need to do something about the warming trends. If these trends are cyclical in nature which I feel they are then why should we attempt to control them? I'm with you on dumping garbage and toxic waste in the rivers and oceans. I just don't feel that there is a "man made" global warming. I also really don't need anyone telling me how I need to live my life. The movement has become more about control than anything.

Oh and DDT is a bad example. That truly was a an issue of the EPA trying establish their power and authority. They ignored test data that showed it was not dangerous.

Charles Wurster, chief scientist for the Environmental Defense Fund, commented, "If the environmentalists win on DDT, they will achieve a level of authority they have never had before.. In a sense, much more is at stake than DDT."

Extensive hearings on DDT before an EPA administrative law judge occurred during 1971-1972. The EPA hearing examiner, Judge Edmund Sweeney, concluded that "DDT is not a carcinogenic hazard to man... DDT is not a mutagenic or teratogenic hazard to man... The use of DDT under the regulations involved here do not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds or other wildlife.".......Overruling the EPA hearing examiner, EPA administrator Ruckelshaus banned DDT in 1972. Ruckelshaus never attended a single hour of the seven months of EPA hearings on DDT. Ruckelshaus' aides reported he did not even read the transcript of the EPA hearings on DDT.

 

[Reef Goddess]

of time

 

[Reef Goddess]

when only