My Acro collection/ Lagoon

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Tank is hitting a big ole stride Perry! Sucks how something so simple as the flow restrictor can set things off.

Sometimes it's simple stuff, but sometimes that's not so simple, and if you don't know RO units, quite possible...
I had it happen to me years ago, and that oversight was costly!
Display is really taking off, the prop tank will take time, dinos are trying to seed new glass, plastics, plugs, rock, anything without a good bio-film. All good, Display stays clean regardless, lol...
Now, have to plan out another prop tank, and a remote bin for additional rock, to run cryptic...
 
Sometimes it's simple stuff, but sometimes that's not so simple, and if you don't know RO units, quite possible...
I had it happen to me years ago, and that oversight was costly!
Display is really taking off, the prop tank will take time, dinos are trying to seed new glass, plastics, plugs, rock, anything without a good bio-film. All good, Display stays clean regardless, lol...
Now, have to plan out another prop tank, and a remote bin for additional rock, to run cryptic...
Man I'm lucky when I lived in Nebraska I swear I went through like a quarter cannister of DI resin every time I would make water. Now here in FL I've hardly seen a change in color at the bottom of the cannister after many months.

I'm with you Perry would love to have a big ole cryptic sump it's on my upgrade/update list.
 
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Man I'm lucky when I lived in Nebraska I swear I went through like a quarter cannister of DI resin every time I would make water. Now here in FL I've hardly seen a change in color at the bottom of the cannister after many months.

I'm with you Perry would love to have a big ole cryptic sump it's on my upgrade/update list.

I basically am there, but, there is a bit of light spill into the sump, plenty of rock covered in sponge, I mean to the point it could not go in a display tank, it's mind boggling. This effort, had me already beginning to sterilize and reset nearly 3 liters of pumice and siporax mix. It just hit the sump, in a basket, where it will be passive. I have another 3 liters of pumice soaking in rodi, it's going in to the sump as well as 10lbs of marco shelf. I may eventually create a shelf in the display, but until then, alive it becomes.
Allan, CRT Reefs, has my mind moving in a direction that it was already moving, so thanks for the nudge Allan ;) Nutrients are stabilizing to match input, but something bothers me...
Filter socks--- Why? Because of the maintenance in washing them, replacing them, but more importantly, catching stuff that eventually would become a food source for the system, and corals. That said, I finally said what the heck, and pulled the sock. There is visibly more debris in the water column, but already, the prop tank is looking better, and the corals too. The display is showing even more PE, my smooth skins are showing polyps. I am keeping a close eye on the Jaw Dropper and BK Chem Creme de le Creme, as they never show polyps, when they do, usually the tank is running well, and when I had sand, they did all the time... hmmm....
See, barebottom can be too efficient, and as I re-think, I feel that any mechanical filtration to trap particles in the water column is actually a detriment, yep, I said it... I have long believed that sand in the system, with a killer clean up crew, like the diamond goby in my 120, the sand was turned over all day long, polyps were crazy. Food....
Acros want way more food than we can provide, and to think this whole time running bb, I have been taking that away. The system still had plenty of supplemental foods, and detritus created in the dt, but in my opinion, I am now feeding the entire system, including the rock in the sump, which will also benefit, as well as the creatures dwelling.
 
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I basically am there, but, there is a bit of light spill into the sump, plenty of rock covered in sponge, I mean to the point it could not go in a display tank, it's mind boggling. This effort, had me already beginning to sterilize and reset nearly 3 liters of pumice and siporax mix. It just hit the sump, in a basket, where it will be passive. I have another 3 liters of pumice soaking in rodi, it's going in to the sump as well as 10lbs of marco shelf. I may eventually create a shelf in the display, but until then, alive it becomes.
Allan, CRT Reefs, has my mind moving in a direction that it was already moving, so thanks for the nudge Allan ;) Nutrients are stabilizing to match input, but something bothers me...
Filter socks--- Why? Because of the maintenance in washing them, replacing them, but more importantly, catching stuff that eventually would become a food source for the system, and corals. That said, I finally said what the heck, and pulled the sock. There is visibly more debris in the water column, but already, the prop tank is looking better, and the corals too. The display is showing even more PE, my smooth skins are showing polyps. I am keeping a close eye on the Jaw Dropper and BK Chem Creme de le Creme, as they never show polyps, when they do, usually the tank is running well, and when I had sand, they did all the time... hmmm....
See, barebottom can be too efficient, and as I re-think, I feel that any mechanical filtration to trap particles in the water column is actually a detriment, yep, I said it... I have long believed that sand in the system, with a killer clean up crew, like the diamond goby in my 120, the sand was turned over all day long, polyps were crazy. Food....
Acros want way more food than we can provide, and to think this whole time running bb, I have been taking that away. The system still had plenty of supplemental foods, and detritus created in the dt, but in my opinion, I am now feeding the entire system, including the rock in the sump, which will also benefit, as well as the creatures dwelling.
Love it Perry! I've been over here today contemplating feeding yeast to the aquarium to up the food web lol.
 
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I basically am there, but, there is a bit of light spill into the sump, plenty of rock covered in sponge, I mean to the point it could not go in a display tank, it's mind boggling. This effort, had me already beginning to sterilize and reset nearly 3 liters of pumice and siporax mix. It just hit the sump, in a basket, where it will be passive. I have another 3 liters of pumice soaking in rodi, it's going in to the sump as well as 10lbs of marco shelf. I may eventually create a shelf in the display, but until then, alive it becomes.
Allan, CRT Reefs, has my mind moving in a direction that it was already moving, so thanks for the nudge Allan ;) Nutrients are stabilizing to match input, but something bothers me...
Filter socks--- Why? Because of the maintenance in washing them, replacing them, but more importantly, catching stuff that eventually would become a food source for the system, and corals. That said, I finally said what the heck, and pulled the sock. There is visibly more debris in the water column, but already, the prop tank is looking better, and the corals too. The display is showing even more PE, my smooth skins are showing polyps. I am keeping a close eye on the Jaw Dropper and BK Chem Creme de le Creme, as they never show polyps, when they do, usually the tank is running well, and when I had sand, they did all the time... hmmm....
See, barebottom can be too efficient, and as I re-think, I feel that any mechanical filtration to trap particles in the water column is actually a detriment, yep, I said it... I have long believed that sand in the system, with a killer clean up crew, like the diamond goby in my 120, the sand was turned over all day long, polyps were crazy. Food....
Acros want way more food than we can provide, and to think this whole time running bb, I have been taking that away. The system still had plenty of supplemental foods, and detritus created in the dt, but in my opinion, I am now feeding the entire system, including the rock in the sump, which will also benefit, as well as the creatures dwelling.
I've actually gone and added sand to my bare bottom systems. I wanted leopard wrasses again but it also has aided with the system I think
 
I've actually gone and added sand to my bare bottom systems. I wanted leopard wrasses again but it also has aided with the system I think

I have actually considered a light sandbed in the prop tank. I think it would be easier to maintain, I am not even going to consider sand in the DT. It was a problem in my last tank, so I am wanting to only use as a supplement this time, remote sounds best. Back in the day, many reefers made DSB buckets, they would add these into the system, for the benefit of sand. The water would be detritus free, so the sand did not clog, water source was usually from an area without detritus. These were said to be quite beneficial at NO3 removal. I have had remote DSB fuges in the past with success. These AF frag plugs are cool, they would do well in a 1" sandbed. Oh boy, what am I even thinking, LOL.... Perhaps I will look into a very light sandbed in my prop tank. If I did, I could move all corals over non sps stuff, and use my 30Nuvo as a quarantine setup, or frag system, hmmm....
 
Allan, CRT Reefs, has my mind moving in a direction that it was already moving, so thanks for the nudge Allan ;) Nutrients are stabilizing to match input, but something bothers me...
Filter socks--- Why? Because of the maintenance in washing them, replacing them, but more importantly, catching stuff that eventually would become a food source for the system, and corals. That said, I finally said what the heck, and pulled the sock. There is visibly more debris in the water column, but already, the prop tank is looking better, and the corals too. The display is showing even more PE, my smooth skins are showing polyps. I am keeping a close eye on the Jaw Dropper and BK Chem Creme de le Creme, as they never show polyps, when they do, usually the tank is running well, and when I had sand, they did all the time... hmmm....
See, barebottom can be too efficient, and as I re-think, I feel that any mechanical filtration to trap particles in the water column is actually a detriment, yep, I said it... I have long believed that sand in the system, with a killer clean up crew, like the diamond goby in my 120, the sand was turned over all day long, polyps were crazy. Food....
Acros want way more food than we can provide, and to think this whole time running bb, I have been taking that away.

Setting up all of my systems (QTs, display) this way, this round, and noticing really good things. To the BB efficiency, my QT tanks are running 0 nitrate and 0.0 ppm PO4 per Hanna (HR NO3, ULR PO4) with torches, zoas, blastos, platys, etc etc thriving (not just surviving). I attribute this to the constant food/mulm availability the sockless set up provides, while preventing the trapping/killing of some of the fauna that normally get caught in the socks/mechanical filtration. 3x daily circulation pumps are ramped up to stir detritus - both for food and to transport to skimmer for removal.

The acros that came from your tank, along with a couple Cali torts, RR Caddy, Oregon Tort, TSA Rainbow Sherbert all doing VERY well as well, in a tank that started w/ dry rock, dark-cured for ~ 3 mo.

As ususal, I like where this is headed...
 
Setting up all of my systems (QTs, display) this way, this round, and noticing really good things. To the BB efficiency, my QT tanks are running 0 nitrate and 0.0 ppm PO4 per Hanna (HR NO3, ULR PO4) with torches, zoas, blastos, platys, etc etc thriving (not just surviving). I attribute this to the constant food/mulm availability the sockless set up provides, while preventing the trapping/killing of some of the fauna that normally get caught in the socks/mechanical filtration. 3x daily circulation pumps are ramped up to stir detritus - both for food and to transport to skimmer for removal.

The acros that came from your tank, along with a couple Cali torts, RR Caddy, Oregon Tort, TSA Rainbow Sherbert all doing VERY well as well, in a tank that started w/ dry rock, dark-cured for ~ 3 mo.

As ususal, I like where this is headed...

Good Morning Nate!
For anyone who doesn't know Nate, he and his brother have been in the reef game even longer than I. Back in my early days of reefing, I met Nate in the Tampa area, which was CHUCK full of some highly skilled reefers. Nate actually stopped in and picked up a tank when I was in Winter Haven, and saw my Zeovit cube, that was 2006/7 time frame.
Anyway, I find it an honor to know Nate, he has deep knowledge, on more of a sciencey level than I. Simply put, I am blessed to call you my Reef pal :) OK, enough sappy stuff, lol :) Nate, I appreciate your kindness, and knowledge, thank you for bringing it here to my journal!
Interesting observation Nate, and I have to agree with you entirely. I do believe that the socks are limiting to barebottom, crazy how I had it backwards, despite what my "3rd Eye" was telling me ;) Always trust your intuition... So far, I am seeing what is dinos and cyano, in the prop system, fading right in front of me. This is a combo result, but I think the corals will start competing for available foods, as well as all the micro life in the sump, therfore, starving out nasties.
Funny thing about pumps, I call it export mode, but feeding acro mode sounds cooler ;) So, I suspect, the debris lifted during the pumps being put to full blast, serves as a way to release natural snow. You are correct sir! I also notice that the skimmer foam head pushes over into the cup during this mode, so that sort of solidifies the point.
I am glad to see you have success with dry rock, please continue to observe, and put that to words, cause this type of data is very important to the success of the hobby, specifically for sps/ acro keeping. Great work!

@coral reeftank ,
Also great work to you too Allan, I enjoyed your write up! You were quite organized :)
I am getting Reef Central SPS forum vibes here lately around this SPS forum, it's super cool. I truly hope that struggling reefers take the time to READ, some really interesting topics on the main page, loving the direction!!!
 
Thanks Perry, I tried to really lay it out there. The old RC days were fun. Those early sps tanks were truly inspirational. I use to come home from school and read countless threads just trying to absorb as much info as possible. It surprised me how much of the “information” back then was just noise, the few juicy morsels of knowledge gained made sifting through that mess worth it.

The easiest thing to do for new hobbyists to get on track is to find a mentor that is willing to guide them. It’s the first bout with the ugly stage where I believe most first timers call it quits. But let’s say you start with proper guidance and begin your system with a focus on building microfauna and microbiome stability. You’ll find that your success greatly improves. Just examine your closed system through the lens of the trophic levels. Approximately 10% of the energy from each tropic level is transferred onto the next, so just imagine the amount of food/prey/bacteria that must be consumed and metabolized for a 1 inch frag to grow into a colony!

Now a days, I think that keeping sps is a very manageable task. Unlike before, the technology is there and there is a wealth of knowledge now. The biggest limitation now is human capital.
 
Good Morning Nate!
Good Morning!

For anyone who doesn't know Nate, he and his brother have been in the reef game even longer than I. Back in my early days of reefing, I met Nate in the Tampa area, which was CHUCK full of some highly skilled reefers.
Music to my ears Perry! Thank you for such kind words - you are always so humble, helpful. It was a pleasure then, and I'm proud to be able to call you a friend. Tampa was great - there was always something going on!

Nate actually stopped in and picked up a tank when I was in Winter Haven, and saw my Zeovit cube, that was 2006/7 time frame.
Yes I remember well! One of the aquariums that drove me learn more, look to you as a mentor. It absolutely stunning.

Anyway, I find it an honor to know Nate, he has deep knowledge, on more of a sciencey level than I. Simply put, I am blessed to call you my Reef pal :) OK, enough sappy stuff, lol :) Nate, I appreciate your kindness, and knowledge, thank you for bringing it here to my journal!
We definitely geek-out Perry - again more humble words, the best trait to accompany an incredible reefer. I'm happy to learn, ask questions, and add my thoughts (they are more-frequently-than-not, right along the lines with yours). Again thank you for the kind words Perry!

Interesting observation Nate, and I have to agree with you entirely. I do believe that the socks are limiting to barebottom, crazy how I had it backwards, despite what my "3rd Eye" was telling me ;) Always trust your intuition... So far, I am seeing what is dinos and cyano, in the prop system, fading right in front of me.
This is great news - I watch even the most experienced reefers struggle long-term with this, and overcoming this it truly a testament to you deep level of understanding when it comes to biome within your tank, and all the levels that most understand only at the surface.

This is a combo result, but I think the corals will start competing for available foods, as well as all the micro life in the sump, therfore, starving out nasties.
I've also been a huge fan/proponent of a benthic style filter (I say "style" as most of our systems are too high flow, and maybe just a little to 'lit' for a few of the species of sponges that we could grow. I have a few varieties in my QT systems that I will transfer to the display. Some light blue, translucent, and bright yellow that are willing to grow in the shade and out of the way of the powerheads in my system. I also have one that is a translucent ball with "spikes" on it, with what looks to have green 'insides'... I really need to sit down and identify them. I think you will find that as your system matures further, that these organisms will contribute to a significant portion of nutrient uptake - both cleaning your water, and provide yet another source of food for your coral at the same time.

Something else you have probably noticed is that your skimmer is pulling out more junk, now that there is more particulate in the water column. This is great, as the sock does not distinguish between the bits of uneaten food, or the copepods, worms, plankton, fry, etc. While I believe the skimmer will kill a portion of the living flora/fauna in the water column, you can guarantee that 100% of anything that gets caught in a filter sock that gets washed, dies off. This includes the copepods and amphipods that are constantly munching on the diatomaceous/filamentous algaes, bacteria (cyano), and dinos. (I believe most systems have all of these in them, they are just kept in balance - it's what differentiates a truly matured system from one that is going through growing pains).

All of that to say - the skimmer will pull out the gunk, and give a fighting chance for many beneficial organisms to live on to populate/clean your system/provide food for the corals.

Funny thing about pumps, I call it export mode, but feeding acro mode sounds cooler ;) So, I suspect, the debris lifted during the pumps being put to full blast, serves as a way to release natural snow. You are correct sir! I also notice that the skimmer foam head pushes over into the cup during this mode, so that sort of solidifies the point.
Yes! Oh, and don't forget the added benefit of, er, not having a filter sock to clean! Of course I dislike the sight of detritus just as much as anyone else, so there is a sock holder permanently mounted in my sump. A quick scrape and vacuum right into the filter sock is the only maintenance I do, outside of cleaning my skimmer cup, glass.... More time to enjoy the tank, along with all of the other benefits...

I am glad to see you have success with dry rock, please continue to observe, and put that to words, cause this type of data is very important to the success of the hobby, specifically for sps/ acro keeping. Great work!
Thank you Perry. The ugly stage lasted exactly 3 days in my first QT, and 1 day in the 2nd. I added copepods, amphipods, bristle worms, and about 3 pounds of ocean rock to the brute trash can the rock stayed in, and maintained the bin just as I would a reef - feeding, changing water, adding elements, etc... Curing in the dark also gives the bacterial population to proliferate without having to compete with the photosynthetic organisms. It makes all the difference once you turn your lights on!

Happy Reefing Perry, and keep up the great work, write-ups.

Be chatting...
 
I decided to suspend bi-weekly cleaning, but will still add snow. The Rebiotic continues to cleanse the tank, coraline back to actively sprouting, rock is looking so nice, not much left ;)

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Good Morning!


Music to my ears Perry! Thank you for such kind words - you are always so humble, helpful. It was a pleasure then, and I'm proud to be able to call you a friend. Tampa was great - there was always something going on!


Yes I remember well! One of the aquariums that drove me learn more, look to you as a mentor. It absolutely stunning.


We definitely geek-out Perry - again more humble words, the best trait to accompany an incredible reefer. I'm happy to learn, ask questions, and add my thoughts (they are more-frequently-than-not, right along the lines with yours). Again thank you for the kind words Perry!


This is great news - I watch even the most experienced reefers struggle long-term with this, and overcoming this it truly a testament to you deep level of understanding when it comes to biome within your tank, and all the levels that most understand only at the surface.


I've also been a huge fan/proponent of a benthic style filter (I say "style" as most of our systems are too high flow, and maybe just a little to 'lit' for a few of the species of sponges that we could grow. I have a few varieties in my QT systems that I will transfer to the display. Some light blue, translucent, and bright yellow that are willing to grow in the shade and out of the way of the powerheads in my system. I also have one that is a translucent ball with "spikes" on it, with what looks to have green 'insides'... I really need to sit down and identify them. I think you will find that as your system matures further, that these organisms will contribute to a significant portion of nutrient uptake - both cleaning your water, and provide yet another source of food for your coral at the same time.

Something else you have probably noticed is that your skimmer is pulling out more junk, now that there is more particulate in the water column. This is great, as the sock does not distinguish between the bits of uneaten food, or the copepods, worms, plankton, fry, etc. While I believe the skimmer will kill a portion of the living flora/fauna in the water column, you can guarantee that 100% of anything that gets caught in a filter sock that gets washed, dies off. This includes the copepods and amphipods that are constantly munching on the diatomaceous/filamentous algaes, bacteria (cyano), and dinos. (I believe most systems have all of these in them, they are just kept in balance - it's what differentiates a truly matured system from one that is going through growing pains).

All of that to say - the skimmer will pull out the gunk, and give a fighting chance for many beneficial organisms to live on to populate/clean your system/provide food for the corals.


Yes! Oh, and don't forget the added benefit of, er, not having a filter sock to clean! Of course I dislike the sight of detritus just as much as anyone else, so there is a sock holder permanently mounted in my sump. A quick scrape and vacuum right into the filter sock is the only maintenance I do, outside of cleaning my skimmer cup, glass.... More time to enjoy the tank, along with all of the other benefits...


Thank you Perry. The ugly stage lasted exactly 3 days in my first QT, and 1 day in the 2nd. I added copepods, amphipods, bristle worms, and about 3 pounds of ocean rock to the brute trash can the rock stayed in, and maintained the bin just as I would a reef - feeding, changing water, adding elements, etc... Curing in the dark also gives the bacterial population to proliferate without having to compete with the photosynthetic organisms. It makes all the difference once you turn your lights on!

Happy Reefing Perry, and keep up the great work, write-ups.

Be chatting...

Thank you for the kind words brother!
The thought of removing socks was a tough decision, up and to tge point that I connected the dots. I have run systems this way before, but not barebottom, with high flow sump, not turnover, powerheads in every partition. But bb, the thought of pushing detritus to the sump, no sock... scary!
Since doing so, I am seeing nothing but positive, so this will be tbe path forward. Added 10lbs of Marco shelf to sump, and 3 liters of biomedia, pumice and siporax. Will be adding another 3 liters. This not to run nutrient limited, this is to expand the bacteria field, which will allow more input.
Fun times, looking forward to a visit bro!
 
Ok,
I think that I am finally on to something, so I am going to go ahead and begin to document.
I have been testing PO4 since the beginning of the upgraded system. Each day, at 6am, I test, and gain insight from the previous day. What has stumped me, is seeing these wide ranges of swings, which I chalk up to unsteady biome, new tank stuff. Then I added the prop tank, again, new surfaces for dinos and cyano to take root, or at least until bacteria has seeded.
Now, I am an on and off user of bacteria, and recently I decided to test Re-biotic, and it's impacts on the mainly the display, some of the rock is older, has always been laden with funk, and frankly, never really restored to that clean rock look. Layers of algae, locked under funk, and laden with all sorts of stuff. That said, there are periods, where this gets better, but never to the full glory. My corals never skip a beat, but with my ocd, it bothers me. So, I began dosing, first impressions were that it reminded me of a zeovit mulm release, snow, everywhere, in July, in FL ;) Anyway, this took me to thinking of mulm, as per recent discussion between Sonny and Reefbum. After thought, and the premise of Zeovit, I then begin to connect the dots. The mulm, likely rich in P04, is snowing on the reef, everytime the zeolites are pulsed. This release, cleans the stones, giving them refreshed surface for bacteria additions to colonize, out with the old, in with the new. This mulm, is feeding the corals, as the snow breaks up in powerheads, and breaks down, the particulate size is able to be captured by the polyps as food. Here is the feeding mechanism of Zeovit, then whatever not taken as food, simply skimmed off, or food down the line for the biome. Again, rich in PO4, this is how our test kits send us on goose chases, instead of simple observations. See, it's not your test kit, levels maintained, its the bacteria, and providing enough of a field, for it to have to home, feed, die, and become food itself. This is why Zeovit is SO misunderstood, I am quite guilty of using this and other systems, without taking the time to know what I have now learned throught testing and observation. Now, I am not a fan of zeolites, why? It takes trace from the water, supposedly, hence the secret ingredients, and likely fancy trace supplements. That said, the core system itself is brilliant! As we plow ahead, I feel that there are other ways than a 2x per day pulsing of zeolites to feed mulm to our systems. So, I have disable the socks, and now allow anything to pass through the main system, prop tank, and sump, freely.
Re-biotic is doing a treat on the reef, and eventually, I will get around to a better analogy, but for now, it is doing EXACTLY what it claims, to a tee... I also use AF Bio S(nitrifying bacteria with DIY Coral Snow) I have been doing Re-biotic 2x per week, Weds and Saturday, and on Weds, the Coral Snow with AF Bio S. Now, keep in mind I test PO4 daily. My system, at it's core, less than bacteria dosing, or PO4 dosing/roids, is at a deficit. That said, I have a normal fish feed, normal filtration, and stay flat on N03, but need to dose PO4 via Phosphorous or Roids in order to maintain yesterday's number. So, 0.06-.08 has been my daily average, but sometimes, I get a whack number, and either dose, or discontinue daily dose based on the test. See, that will determine if I dose roids or phosphorous, or not. What I did not keep in mind is the effect of bacteria. Again, I only use Re-biotic 2x per week, and AF Bio S at 5 drops, with Coral Snow once. So, I did not take into effect bacteria dosing. Now, I am still unsure of which one is doing this, but here is something that I found interesting. Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday, nothing out of the ordinary. I see .06-.08ppm for PO4. Tuesday night, I added 10lbs of marco rock, which was soaked for 3 days in RODI to the sump. I actually spoke with Allan on this one. My PO4 on Weds morning was .14ppm, so that's weird... Likely, leaching from marco, no worries, I just test, and maybe allow that to be my P04 source for a spell. Well, yesterday was Weds, and I did Re-biotic and Coral Snow DIY, this morning .03ppm. Yes, .11ppm consumption in 1 day. Needless to say, today I fed 1/4tsp of roids, again, maintenance dose, but will need to supply 1ml of phosphorous to raise. So, I will be interested to see tomorrow, more to come on that.
Now, I have noticed that since the P04 gap narrowed, alk slowed, so maybe that means stunted growth, not sure, but I have been dialing back kalkwasser. So, I will look to what appears to be the large Weds bacteria additions, and the way they consumed .11ppm, anecdotally, of P04, and see if now my growth kicks back in, which would show more food availability, thus increasing growth and mineral consumption. Only caveat is decreasing the prop tank whites from 20% to 10% until this system matures a bit, then slow ramping.
Again, more to come, thanks for reading :)

Edit: P04 is tested in the water column, correct, otherwise, we would need to swab surfaces, where bacteria likely has far more than our test. My direction is understanding bacteria, and availability in the water column, which in turn is harboring p04, as a downstream food source. Again, not sure what PO4 in the water column, tested, actually represents, I think JDA has tried, on numerous occasions to convey this point. As a fyi...
 
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Ok,
I think that I am finally on to something, so I am going to go ahead and begin to document.
I have been testing PO4 since the beginning of the upgraded system. Each day, at 6am, I test, and gain insight from the previous day. What has stumped me, is seeing these wide ranges of swings, which I chalk up to unsteady biome, new tank stuff. Then I added the prop tank, again, new surfaces for dinos and cyano to take root, or at least until bacteria has seeded.
Now, I am an on and off user of bacteria, and recently I decided to test Re-biotic, and it's impacts on the mainly the display, some of the rock is older, has always been laden with funk, and frankly, never really restored to that clean rock look. Layers of algae, locked under funk, and laden with all sorts of stuff. That said, there are periods, where this gets better, but never to the full glory. My corals never skip a beat, but with my ocd, it bothers me. So, I began dosing, first impressions were that it reminded me of a zeovit mulm release, snow, everywhere, in July, in FL ;) Anyway, this took me to thinking of mulm, as per recent discussion between Sonny and Reefbum. After thought, and the premise of Zeovit, I then begin to connect the dots. The mulm, likely rich in P04, is snowing on the reef, everytime the zeolites are pulsed. This release, cleans the stones, giving them refreshed surface for bacteria additions to colonize, out with the old, in with the new. This mulm, is feeding the corals, as the snow breaks up in powerheads, and breaks down, the particulate size is able to be captured by the polyps as food. Here is the feeding mechanism of Zeovit, then whatever not taken as food, simply skimmed off, or food down the line for the biome. Again, rich in PO4, this is how our test kits send us on goose chases, instead of simple observations. See, it's not your test kit, levels maintained, its the bacteria, and providing enough of a field, for it to have to home, feed, die, and become food itself. This is why Zeovit is SO misunderstood, I am quite guilty of using this and other systems, without taking the time to know what I have now learned throught testing and observation. Now, I am not a fan of zeolites, why? It takes trace from the water, supposedly, hence the secret ingredients, and likely fancy trace supplements. That said, the core system itself is brilliant! As we plow ahead, I feel that there are other ways than a 2x per day pulsing of zeolites to feed mulm to our systems. So, I have disable the socks, and now allow anything to pass through the main system, prop tank, and sump, freely.
Re-biotic is doing a treat on the reef, and eventually, I will get around to a better analogy, but for now, it is doing EXACTLY what it claims, to a tee... I also use AF Bio S(nitrifying bacteria with DIY Coral Snow) I have been doing Re-biotic 2x per week, Weds and Saturday, and on Weds, the Coral Snow with AF Bio S. Now, keep in mind I test PO4 daily. My system, at it's core, less than bacteria dosing, or PO4 dosing/roids, is at a deficit. That said, I have a normal fish feed, normal filtration, and stay flat on N03, but need to dose PO4 via Phosphorous or Roids in order to maintain yesterday's number. So, 0.06-.08 has been my daily average, but sometimes, I get a whack number, and either dose, or discontinue daily dose based on the test. See, that will determine if I dose roids or phosphorous, or not. What I did not keep in mind is the effect of bacteria. Again, I only use Re-biotic 2x per week, and AF Bio S at 5 drops, with Coral Snow once. So, I did not take into effect bacteria dosing. Now, I am still unsure of which one is doing this, but here is something that I found interesting. Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday, nothing out of the ordinary. I see .06-.08ppm for PO4. Tuesday night, I added 10lbs of marco rock, which was soaked for 3 days in RODI to the sump. I actually spoke with Allan on this one. My PO4 on Weds morning was .14ppm, so that's weird... Likely, leaching from marco, no worries, I just test, and maybe allow that to be my P04 source for a spell. Well, yesterday was Weds, and I did Re-biotic and Coral Snow DIY, this morning .03ppm. Yes, .11ppm consumption in 1 day. Needless to say, today I fed 1/4tsp of roids, again, maintenance dose, but will need to supply 1ml of phosphorous to raise. So, I will be interested to see tomorrow, more to come on that.
Now, I have noticed that since the P04 gap narrowed, alk slowed, so maybe that means stunted growth, not sure, but I have been dialing back kalkwasser. So, I will look to what appears to be the large Weds bacteria additions, and the way they consumed .11ppm, anecdotally, of P04, and see if now my growth kicks back in, which would show more food availability, thus increasing growth and mineral consumption. Only caveat is decreasing the prop tank whites from 20% to 10% until this system matures a bit, then slow ramping.
Again, more to come, thanks for reading :)

Edit: P04 is tested in the water column, correct, otherwise, we would need to swab surfaces, where bacteria likely has far more than our test. My direction is understanding bacteria, and availability in the water column, which in turn is harboring p04, as a downstream food source. Again, not sure what PO4 in the water column, tested, actually represents, I think JDA has tried, on numerous occasions to convey this point. As a fyi...
It’s hard to say what stunted growth really looks like. I swear some pieces look better and grow faster in my tank that is .5 ppm phosphate. I wonder how low N and P but high beneficial bacteria affects the coral vs how low N and P and low beneficial bacteria.
 
Being a Zeovit user, I was able to match up products in comparison, this has led to my now hybrid approach. Similar to Sonny, aka SunnyX. His rimless reef, Roberthus from Amsterdam, Krzystof Tryc from Poland, helped steer me in this direction.
This was my 70 gall8n Zeovit tank in 2006=07
I was truly learning and really didn't know what the heck I was doing, but had an external Zeovit reactor from I-tech custom made for this system.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane Allen, I admire your work! Jesse too, buddy, you have no idea how in love I am with that Peng's Purple Tip Granulosa!!!
Yes, it’s a beautiful piece and you are doing a great job with it. Your colors look great. Have you happened to have picked up the TGC Bugatti? I can’t remember. If you don’t have that one I’d suggest hitting up @coral reeftank . I like light pastel colors contrasting against dark colors and the blue, white and gold on it are just breathtaking. It and the TSA Zombieland are probably my 2 favorite Granulosa. Pengs and the BC Swearwolf would come in a tight third. But Pengs price makes up for it ;)
 
Also, I dosed the ReBiotic to the ailing backup system yesterday. In the fashion of taking it slow, I only dosed 3g for about 75g system volume. I really hope this stuff equalizes the biome back to (or at least close) what it was when I first set it up. Fingers Crossed

I’ll be ordering the Zeovite media for all systems as well. Again, taking it slow as to not knock my balance off.
 
Yes, it’s a beautiful piece and you are doing a great job with it. Your colors look great. Have you happened to have picked up the TGC Bugatti? I can’t remember. If you don’t have that one I’d suggest hitting up @coral reeftank . I like light pastel colors contrasting against dark colors and the blue, white and gold on it are just breathtaking. It and the TSA Zombieland are probably my 2 favorite Granulosa. Pengs and the BC Swearwolf would come in a tight third. But Pengs price makes up for it ;)

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If you guys use the Zeovit and the media therefore. I mean how do or would you guys use it passively? Just throw that media in the sump in a media basket?
 
If you guys use the Zeovit and the media therefore. I mean how do or would you guys use it passively? Just throw that media in the sump in a media basket?
That’s how I use it. You can always put it in a filter media bag so that you can easily remove it to change it if you like.
 

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