Naming corals - When has it gone too far?

[ca1ore]

Sales don’t lie. No names will sit for quite a while unless it’s something truly exceptional. But give it a name and suddenly they will sell.

Oh, I don't doubt that ..... otherwise the vendors wouldn't do it. Makes me think of that old ELO song though, 'a fool and his money soon go separate ways'.

 

[that Reef Guy]

Once everything is named we are back where we started and names will mean nothing.

I don't buy names. I buy coral.

But there are peo0ple that do. Let them pay more. Stupid should be taxed.

Just because something is named doesn't mean it is expensive.

It is the Newer ones that are Expensive.

As time goes on prices Drop.

I buy a ton of Coral for $10 to $20 at Frag Swaps (Almost all of them are Named).

Yes, when they first come out they are pricey but price drops over time just like with Cars, Technology, etc. Coral is no different.

If I pay $10 for a "Named Coral" you are calling me stupid?

And If I buy No-Named Corals for $20 (is that Smart)?

I think what you are trying to say is people that pay alot for coral are dumb and you are assuming the coral was named (Which may or may not be the case).

P.S. I have seen many many No-Named Corals sell for alot of Money (Ultra Rainbow Acans, One of a Kind Scoly's, Welso, etc.

Named Corals tend to be ones that grow fast that are passed around alot (Zoanthids and Acros are the Biggest Culprits here).

Stuff that can't be fragged or grows slow tends to not get fancy names although they can sell for alot.

 

[ca1ore]

10 years back was never like it is now.

I think that's true. There were some named pieces, but mostly based on who first kept them .... Stuber's Acro for example. Of course, most people on this board weren't in the hobby 10 years ago. There wasn't nearly the variety of SPS either; and certainly not the profusion of hobbyist-turned-vendor like we see today. I'll reserve judgement as to whether I think it's a good thing or not LOL.

 

[that Reef Guy]

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LOL

 

[Sk8erSpanky]

From what I see it is pretty much the same.

In demand corals are named.

Non-In Demand are not.

Most Corals are Not in Demand.

Go to your LFS (Xenia, GSP, Common Mushrooms, Common Zoanthids, Common whatever.

For every Named Coral there are 100 Non-Named Corals.

Most Corals imported in do Not get Fancy Names.

It sounds like you only care about named corals which is fine but you are making a blanket statement saying all corals are named which is far from the truth.

Named Corals are much much rarer than non-named corals.

For Ever Walt Disney Acro and WWC OG Bounce out there there are 10,000 Maricultured Acros and Discosoma Mushrooms with No Names that jsut got pulled out of the Ocean.

It s like for every Ferrari made there are a Million Fords Made.

I have some named and un named. But to be honest, i can really only point out two of the named ones i purchased. The others, totally forgot. Personally I just believe that the hobby is saturated with named corals. I do believe that when a company names a coral, they can jack up the price. I would like to see a vendor try this with 2 of the same frags and see what happens.

 

[that Reef Guy]

This is what I am saying. Why did it ever get to this point. I guarntee if you hold a sale with two exact coral frags taken from the same colony of a SPS one named one unnamed. Chances are that named will sell right away and at a higher cost than the one you didn't name. Is it because the consumer automatically feels like its a better coral because its named?

That is true but it depends on the person.

Some people buy the name.

Some buy the coral.

Some Both.

 

[that Reef Guy]

I have some named and un named. But to be honest, i can really only point out two of the named ones i purchased. The others, totally forgot. Personally I just believe that the hobby is saturated with named corals. I do believe that when a company names a coral, they can jack up the price. I would like to see a vendor try this with 2 of the same frags and see what happens.

Yes, you are correct.

Give a New Coral a Fancy Name and the Price goes up (But that is Only Initially).

It is Simple Supply and Demand (Applicable to Anything in Life Not Just Coral).

But as people buy that Coral and Grow it and Sell it they lower the Price.

Just be Patient.

I have seen this Scenario a million times.

If there is a new Hot Coral that you want but cannot afford it (Or Refuse to Pay the Price) wait.

It will Drop.

I have a Friend that Paid $1,000 for a Homewrecker Acro.

I think the Last one I saw for Sale was $160 and was a while ago.

They should be much cheaper now.

In the meantime there are a ton of Nice corals that were expensive a few years ago but are very affordable now.

And wait for the Expensive ones to Drop.

They say the Average Person is in the Hobby 1 Year and Quits.

Well that is not enough time to understand the Trends.

I have been in the Hobby for 9 Years now.

I see an expensive Coral that is new I just wait.

That is what people need to understand.

Don't get upset just be patient.

Simple as that.

 

[Dom274]

I have some named and un named. But to be honest, i can really only point out two of the named ones i purchased. The others, totally forgot. Personally I just believe that the hobby is saturated with named corals. I do believe that when a company names a coral, they can jack up the price. I would like to see a vendor try this with 2 of the same frags and see what happens.

Okay guys, looks like the gig is up. Obviously, you are onto us. There's actually a secret agreement we make people sign, forcing them to name the coral and double the price.


Is that the answer you want for your conspiracy theory? Because the correct answer has already been posted by the reef guy. Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean it's not correct. It's better now than it was 10 years ago. Simple.





Back before Names People had to "Try" to Describe a Coral.
Imagine Trying to Describe a Coral with a Bunch of Colors like Rastas?

This Color Skirt, This Color Center, This Color Ring Number One, This Color Ring Number Two.

After Someone Wasted a Minute of their Time Describing it I am like "I have No Idea What You are Talking About.

But if Somebody spends just One Second saying I am Looking for Rastas I Immediatley know exactly what they are Talking about.

So I Disagree because Names make things a Million Times Simpler.

 

[BoomCorals]

Yes, you are correct.

Give a New Coral a Fancy Name and the Price goes up (But that is Only Initially).

It is Simple Supply and Demand (Applicable to Anything in Life Not Just Coral).

But as people buy that Coral and Grow it and Sell it they lower the Price.

Just be Patient.

I have seen this Scenario a million times.

If there is a new Hot Coral that you want but cannot afford it (Or Refuse to Pay the Price) wait.

It will Drop.

I have a Friend that Paid $1,000 for a Homewrecker Acro.

I think the Last one I saw for Sale was $160 and was a while ago.

They should be much cheaper now.

In the meantime there are a ton of Nice corals that were expensive a few years ago but are very affordable now.

And wait for the Expensive ones to Drop.

They say the Average Person is in the Hobby 1 Year and Quits.

Well that is not enough time to understand the Trends.

I have been in the Hobby for 9 Years now.

I see an expensive Coral that is new I just wait.

That is what people need to understand.

Don't get upset just be patient.

Simple as that.

Homewrecker still goes for like $400. If you can buy them for $160 and it’s not some tiny frag with two corallites please point me in that direction.

 

[Sk8erSpanky]

Homewrecker still goes for like $400. If you can buy them for $160 and it’s not some tiny frag with two corallites please point me in that direction.

Ill buy a few too! Though I did manage to get one for $200.00. But that was during a live sale so not sure if that counts lol

 

[Sk8erSpanky]

Okay guys, looks like the gig is up. Obviously, you are onto us. There's actually a secret agreement we make people sign, forcing them to name the coral and double the price.


Is that the answer you want for your conspiracy theory? Because the correct answer has already been posted by the reef guy. Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean it's not correct. It's better now than it was 10 years ago. Simple.





Back before Names People had to "Try" to Describe a Coral.
Imagine Trying to Describe a Coral with a Bunch of Colors like Rastas?

This Color Skirt, This Color Center, This Color Ring Number One, This Color Ring Number Two.

After Someone Wasted a Minute of their Time Describing it I am like "I have No Idea What You are Talking About.

But if Somebody spends just One Second saying I am Looking for Rastas I Immediatley know exactly what they are Talking about.

So I Disagree because Names make things a Million Times Simpler.

No right or wrong answer. Just a few people who love the hobby chatting

 

[Rakie]

I get the higher more aught after ones. That totally makes sense to me. But literally everything is named now. Literally almost everything at least. Is this just the new norm i guess?

I don't see that.

 

[that Reef Guy]

Homewrecker still goes for like $400. If you can buy them for $160 and it’s not some tiny frag with two corallites please point me in that direction.

If I remember correctly it was like a Half Inch and it was over a year ago.

 

[that Reef Guy]

Ill buy a few too! Though I did manage to get one for $200.00. But that was during a live sale so not sure if that counts lol

Why wouldn't it count?

It is the Price you paid correct?

 

[Sk8erSpanky]

Why wouldn't it count?

It is the Price you paid correct?

Your right!

 

[ZoWhat]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I see nothing
I hear nothing
I say nothing

 

[Sk8erSpanky]

I don't see that.

I guess thats how I see it. For instance: Jason Fox. Great guy and great corals who earned the right to have the JF named. Yet you get a chop shop or some random person jumping into the picture stamping all their corals with a name: Petes Super Blue Acro. To someone who knows the hobby well will most likely scratch their heads. But I guess im on the side of if you are naming corals, you should be putting in the time and effort.

 

[sawdonkey]

I think names help. Imagine trying to tell a friend that you bought a coral off of the battlecorals website and you want to tell him/her which one. It would be nearly impossible. “It’s the one with the thick branches, super hairy, dark blue growth tips, etc.....no, the one with darker blue tips....

There are a lot of chop shops that name every wild colony they chop up, but if those turn out to be duds, nobody talks about them, the name fizzles, and they don’t become known......who cares.

If something truly special is named, people talk about it, and the name deservingly sticks.

 

[ca1ore]

Is that the answer you want for your conspiracy theory?

I think if a coral has a fancy name, it does command a premium ..... or at least sells faster. @BoomCorals made that point earlier. Fail to see why that makes it a conspiracy theory? I suppose some people think everything's a conspiracy; maybe that's not what you meant LOL.

 

[Rakie]

I guess thats how I see it. For instance: Jason Fox. Great guy and great corals who earned the right to have the JF named. Yet you get a chop shop or some random person jumping into the picture stamping all their corals with a name: Petes Super Blue Acro. To someone who knows the hobby well will most likely scratch their heads. But I guess im on the side of if you are naming corals, you should be putting in the time and effort.

No, I mean I literally don't see that happen. Not that I ideologically disagree. But that's a bad example (JF) a good example would be a small nobody. JF isn't a small nobody, anything he sells in this day and age better be named or nobody will buy it.

Look at UC. Look at AquaSD. Many HUGE retailers don't name everything.

You're cherry picking data, akin to asking a loaded question.

The day when Bobs dumb fish has a BDF Rainbow Godzilla killer is the day I agree with you. But they don't. Only the biggest of the big have an obligation to name things. A coral without a name from an AAA vendor is like a giant flashing sign saying "This coral is crap, and nobody believes in it -- especially me".

At this point, JF isn't even allowed to fart without naming it.