Nutrient control question......

Okay, but I can't hurt anything by having a lot of air go in right?? Also, the water level one with the valve on it.....what is the point of it?? Just to raise and lower the water level in the skimmer right?
That's the gate.. Did you check out the instructions? The gate controls the wetness by raising and lowering the water level..

The air valve, as i have found, controls the bubble size and quantity.. This, at least on mine, determines the color and consistency so to speak. It's more or less for fine tuning..
 
Okay, but I can't hurt anything by having a lot of air go in right?? Also, the water level one with the valve on it.....what is the point of it?? Just to raise and lower the water level in the skimmer right?
And the only thing with a lot of air going on is surging(which can disturb the flow of the bubbles, which you don't want) and lower the water level.. Which on my 203,I had to close the air valve some to get the water level up for wet skimming..

With that said, I was running my current one (the 251)wide open, until maybe a week ago.. It's weird because my skim is still wet, but now, versus tea brown color, it's dark. But.. It's still a wet semi translucent skimate..
 
At first is going to be goofy like that. It is indeed. The first few times i took mine off and on, it was like that. But basically with water on the o ring, try to tighten it a little and then back off.. If you do that enough times, you will get it tight enough to where it will not leak. Then, the next time you empty it, it will be easier.. It took mine a few times.

Or, you could just by some silicon lubricant and just call it a day.. Lol

At first is going to be goofy like that. It is indeed

Lol okay I was wondering why it was being so finicky man!! Thanks!
 
That's the gate.. Did you check out the instructions? The gate controls the wetness by raising and lowering the water level..

The air valve, as i have found, controls the bubble size and quantity.. This, at least on mine, determines the color and consistency so to speak. It's more or less for fine tuning..

Yeah I have them and set it up right, but the directions were just whatever and kinda still left me confused on what to do with that and also what to do with the air valve also.....so you had have your air valve screwed in almost all the way down except for the 4 notches still showing if I'm understanding that right.....also I'm running my water line in sump at 9inches
 
Yeah I have them and set it up right, but the directions were just whatever and kinda still left me confused on what to do with that and also what to do with the air valve also.....so you had have your air valve screwed in almost all the way down except for the 4 notches still showing if I'm understanding that right.....also I'm running my water line in sump at 9inches
Yep.. That is exactly what i had it set at.. But then, it is going to depend on a bunch of things.. Yours may overflow with the 4 threads showing,but it may be fine also.. But that's about where mine actually was at..
 
Yep.. That is exactly what i had it set at.. But then, it is going to depend on a bunch of things.. Yours may overflow with the 4 threads showing,but it may be fine also.. But that's about where mine actually was at..

I think I'm getting it a little more dialed in now....how big should the foam be near the top of my skimmer neck?? Like real big bubbles or small ones? Also, whenever you feed your tank did your skimmer water level drop down a lot?? Mine does it every time I feed?
 
I think I'm getting it a little more dialed in now....how big should the foam be near the top of my skimmer neck?? Like real big bubbles or small ones? Also, whenever you feed your tank did your skimmer water level drop down a lot?? Mine does it every time I feed?
I don't quite understand what your asking about the bubbles and the neck (could be the beer tonight)..

And yes, it does drop down.. But it depends on what i feed also..
 
I don't quite understand what your asking about the bubbles and the neck (could be the beer tonight)..

And yes, it does drop down.. But it depends on what i feed also..
Hahahahahha I don't think it made sense......I read somewhere that the bubbles in the body of the skimmer should be smaller than the bubbles in the neck of the skimmer....have you ever heard of that??

Also why when you feed does the skimmer level drop??
 
Hahahahahha I don't think it made sense......I read somewhere that the bubbles in the body of the skimmer should be smaller than the bubbles in the neck of the skimmer....have you ever heard of that??

Also why when you feed does the skimmer level drop??
I mean, lol I guess it does make sense.. Now that i think about it, but, honestly, that difference in bubble size doesn't matter to me.. Lol.. As long as it skim good, I hadn't over the years paid attention to it(honestly, that is sort of advanced, and i probably wasn't ready for that. ) ..

But with this skimmer, because I can, and have, it's interesting to see the results.. I still don't think I'm fully ready for that, lol (is about knowing my limits and pushing, but not pushing too hard.. Because, if i overload my head with something, it just achieves nothing positive and makes me want to leave it alone), but, I'm much more prepared to play with it, than i was with my dynamics skimmers.

But i still don't stress over it.. The skimmer pulls like mad it seems, no matter the bubble size comparison..
 
I mean, lol I guess it does make sense.. Now that i think about it, but, honestly, that difference in bubble size doesn't matter to me.. Lol.. As long as it skim good, I hadn't over the years paid attention to it(honestly, that is sort of advanced, and i probably wasn't ready for that. ) ..

But with this skimmer, because I can, and have, it's interesting to see the results.. I still don't think I'm fully ready for that, lol (is about knowing my limits and pushing, but not pushing too hard.. Because, if i overload my head with something, it just achieves nothing positive and makes me want to leave it alone), but, I'm much more prepared to play with it, than i was with my dynamics skimmers.

But i still don't stress over it.. The skimmer pulls like mad it seems, no matter the bubble size comparison..

Okay I'm so glad you said that cause I know I'm definitely not ready for that and don't ever care to be!!!! As long as it skims good like you said....I'm perfectly happy! I can't thank you enough for all of your help and advice man.....I really appreciate everything and I'll have an update or questions for you I'm sure soon! Thanks again!
 
As I tell you I have it dialed in my skimmer was overflowed again Hahahah
Really?

Oh and the reason it drops is the oils. From what i remember(from long, long, long ago) , the oils don't allow the bubbles to form, thus, your not able to obtain the "head" necessary to keep the skim and level.. It's much like when you drink a beer and the foam head dissipates. Just the oils..
 
Okay I'm so glad you said that cause I know I'm definitely not ready for that and don't ever care to be!!!! As long as it skims good like you said....I'm perfectly happy! I can't thank you enough for all of your help and advice man.....I really appreciate everything and I'll have an update or questions for you I'm sure soon! Thanks again!
No problem.. I'm just a fellow reefer like yourself.. Hopefully, it saved some frustration and time in some way..

And anytime! [emoji4] [emoji4] [emoji4]
 
Really?

Oh and the reason it drops is the oils. From what i remember(from long, long, long ago) , the oils don't allow the bubbles to form, thus, your not able to obtain the "head" necessary to keep the skim and level.. It's much like when you drink a beer and the foam head dissipates. Just the oils..

Oils cause bubble popping.

I discuss it here:

What is Skimming? by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com

from it:

Bubble Popping

Other critical things can occur at the foam draining stage, and they usually impact skimming negatively. One is the addition of materials that cause bubbles to pop prematurely. Excessive oils, for example, cause this to happen.

When typical oil droplets are added to a reef aquarium, they quickly arrive at the skimmer. A pure oil droplet is largely hydrophobic on all sides. Oil drops work their devilish tricks in skimmers by spanning across the water between two air bubbles in a foam (Figure 4). Once an oil droplet spans the water gap between bubbles, the amphipathic molecules on both of the bubbles' surfaces spread along the interface between the oil and the water (if they were not there already) and connect both of the air gaps with a continuous line of amphipathic molecules along this oil/water interface. Once these amphipathic molecules are in place, the interaction is unstable. The surface tension pulls at the oil drop (Figure 5), and it simply comes apart. The bubble ruptures from the site of the oil drop, and the effect is that the bubbles combine, or pop entirely. The reason that this does not happen in the absence of an oil drop is that to cause a rupture requires the water present between the air bubbles (or between a single bubble and the nearby atmosphere) to become exposed as fresh air/water interface. In fact, it requires a continuous line of water molecules to become exposed all at once.

Because such a rupture would require a large number of hydrogen bonds to be broken simultaneously, it simply requires too much energy to actually take place. When the oil drop is there, the water molecules are no longer exposed, but rather the oil or amphipathic molecules, which are much "happier" to be exposed to air, and the droplet ruptures, breaking the bubbles on either side of it into one larger bubble. That process continues until no foam remains.

Bubble popping can also be caused by hydrophobic solids, although that process is likely less important to aquarists than is popping due to oils.

Bubble Popping in Marine Aquaria
The effects of this bubble popping process, if not the mechanistic details, are easily observed in an aquarium, where many things may cause a bubble popping effect. One cause that most aquarists encounter is oil from their hands. After reaching into a saltwater aquarium, skimming action often comes nearly to a halt as bubble popping dominates foam drainage and collection. The popping will proceed until the oil is somehow removed. Among other ways, oil can be removed by splattering it above the foam height in the skimmer, being foamed out bit by bit, being emulsified into the general foam as very, very tiny droplets which no longer span air bubbles, becoming attached to solid objects and removed, being consumed by tank microorganisms and by eventually dissolving into the bulk tank water. Many foods used by aquarists have a similar effect on skimmer bubbles.

As an aside, the bubble popping action of hydrophobic oils is exactly how most anti-gas medications for humans function. Simethicone is really polydimethylsiloxane, which is a hydrophobic polymer liquid. It pops bubbles in your stomach or intestine, and permits the gas to be eliminated. Antifoaming agents also are the basis for a large number of industrial products that work on the same principle. Other things also cause bubble popping. One of these is the fatty acid supplement Selcon. It causes bubble popping in the same fashion as skin oil droplets. Hydrophobic solid objects can also cause popping. Fine particles of activated carbon, sand, inorganic precipitates, or granular ferric oxide/hydroxide, once coated by organic compounds, can serve to break foams in a manner analogous to the described for liquid oils.
 
Oils cause bubble popping.

I discuss it here:

What is Skimming? by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com

from it:

Bubble Popping

Other critical things can occur at the foam draining stage, and they usually impact skimming negatively. One is the addition of materials that cause bubbles to pop prematurely. Excessive oils, for example, cause this to happen.

When typical oil droplets are added to a reef aquarium, they quickly arrive at the skimmer. A pure oil droplet is largely hydrophobic on all sides. Oil drops work their devilish tricks in skimmers by spanning across the water between two air bubbles in a foam (Figure 4). Once an oil droplet spans the water gap between bubbles, the amphipathic molecules on both of the bubbles' surfaces spread along the interface between the oil and the water (if they were not there already) and connect both of the air gaps with a continuous line of amphipathic molecules along this oil/water interface. Once these amphipathic molecules are in place, the interaction is unstable. The surface tension pulls at the oil drop (Figure 5), and it simply comes apart. The bubble ruptures from the site of the oil drop, and the effect is that the bubbles combine, or pop entirely. The reason that this does not happen in the absence of an oil drop is that to cause a rupture requires the water present between the air bubbles (or between a single bubble and the nearby atmosphere) to become exposed as fresh air/water interface. In fact, it requires a continuous line of water molecules to become exposed all at once.

Because such a rupture would require a large number of hydrogen bonds to be broken simultaneously, it simply requires too much energy to actually take place. When the oil drop is there, the water molecules are no longer exposed, but rather the oil or amphipathic molecules, which are much "happier" to be exposed to air, and the droplet ruptures, breaking the bubbles on either side of it into one larger bubble. That process continues until no foam remains.

Bubble popping can also be caused by hydrophobic solids, although that process is likely less important to aquarists than is popping due to oils.

Bubble Popping in Marine Aquaria
The effects of this bubble popping process, if not the mechanistic details, are easily observed in an aquarium, where many things may cause a bubble popping effect. One cause that most aquarists encounter is oil from their hands. After reaching into a saltwater aquarium, skimming action often comes nearly to a halt as bubble popping dominates foam drainage and collection. The popping will proceed until the oil is somehow removed. Among other ways, oil can be removed by splattering it above the foam height in the skimmer, being foamed out bit by bit, being emulsified into the general foam as very, very tiny droplets which no longer span air bubbles, becoming attached to solid objects and removed, being consumed by tank microorganisms and by eventually dissolving into the bulk tank water. Many foods used by aquarists have a similar effect on skimmer bubbles.

As an aside, the bubble popping action of hydrophobic oils is exactly how most anti-gas medications for humans function. Simethicone is really polydimethylsiloxane, which is a hydrophobic polymer liquid. It pops bubbles in your stomach or intestine, and permits the gas to be eliminated. Antifoaming agents also are the basis for a large number of industrial products that work on the same principle. Other things also cause bubble popping. One of these is the fatty acid supplement Selcon. It causes bubble popping in the same fashion as skin oil droplets. Hydrophobic solid objects can also cause popping. Fine particles of activated carbon, sand, inorganic precipitates, or granular ferric oxide/hydroxide, once coated by organic compounds, can serve to break foams in a manner analogous to the described for liquid oils.
Thanks.. Lol, it was probably your article(information in a book i read when i first began) i read long ago explaining these oil substances and their effects on skimming..

And I'm actually a Selcon user.. Lol, that stuff will bring down a skimmer in a heartbeat.. But i love it's effect (i understand its been highly debated) on my animals..
 
Thanks.. Lol, it was probably your article(information in a book i read when i first began) i read long ago explaining these oil substances and their effects on skimming..

And I'm actually a Selcon user.. Lol, that stuff will bring down a skimmer in a heartbeat.. But i love it's effect (i understand its been highly debated) on my animals..

So when this happens and the skimmer drops its water level because of oils do i have to adjust my skimmer every time to bring it back up or will t adjust on its own??
 
So when this happens and the skimmer drops its water level because of oils do i have to adjust my skimmer every time to bring it back up or will t adjust on its own??
It will come back on its own. Just give it time..
 
It will come back on its own. Just give it time..
Got it!!! That's why it's been overflowing cause I notice it's low and then I adjust it and then it ends up overflowing like an hour later because it's back normal again....all makes sense now [emoji3]
 
Got it!!! That's why it's been overflowing cause I notice it's low and then I adjust it and then it ends up overflowing like an hour later because it's back normal again....all makes sense now [emoji3]
Oh yeah.. No, you just let it do its thing when you feed. Most skimmers do that.. If you adjust it, you'll constantly chase it.. Lol..
 
Oh yeah.. No, you just let it do its thing when you feed. Most skimmers do that.. If you adjust it, you'll constantly chase it.. Lol..
How long does the oil thing usually last because mine has been low now for about 2 hours and all I did was feed mysis! Hahaha
 

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