Palytoxin...Zoas? Need advice

[Zero1091]

Hi all,
I have some areas in my tank that need fillers.
Ive been considering throwing in some zoas because of a few particular ones that are out there but am concerned with palytoxin.

Ive done some research online but question its credibility. I ask because I have a lot of kids in the house and although the tank is dialed in, there is always something that can happen where the tank just crashes and puts others at risk when Im not home.
Cooler dies out, dosers over doing it etc. What ever the scenario.

Ive heard not all Zoas/ Palys carry the toxin but, any experts out there that can convince me with some facts so I can add a few?
If you can name drop some that youve personally handled and had no ill effects it would be appreciated.
Would be dope to add some Rastas or a cluster of different types.

 

[sfin52]

Running carbon will remove toxin. Dont scrub it out of the tank. Running carbon it's the best.

 

[Zero1091]

Running carbon will remove toxin. Dont scrub it out of the tank. Running carbon it's the best.

Thanks, Currently running carbon aswell.

 

[Zero1091]

Anyone else have their 2c to throw in?

 

[jurgenph]

i just stick to zoanthids, don't add palythoas to my tank. that way i don't need to worry.
the thing is, many vendors will label a palythoa as a zoanthid.

so i take a non scientific approach, it it looks rather large, i'll skip over it. most zoas are fairly small.

you'll be perfecly fine with Rastas. one of my favorites as well!

that said, in my previous tank i had a large selection of pink palythoas, fragged them multiple times, never had a problem.


J.

 

[Saltyreef]

I frag all my zoas bare handed. I think the ones you need to watch out for are some of the uncolored brown and green wild palys.
Ive never had any issues all the years i been fraggin bare handed.
Fragged pretty much every popular and common zoa out there. Not a lot of palys.

 

[NanoDJS]

I have never personally had a bad experience with zoas or pallys , and i have had a few........... over the years lolz fragging , and tank wise never had issue. There are some Guru Zoa people who handle them 24/7 and have tanks full of them and they are still here bottom line is all these corals are toxic, but thats why they are so pretty .

 

[BayouReefer]

It is called Palytoxin however Zoanthids are known to have it it is rare but from what I understand hard to almost impossible to know which ones have it. It is not a major concern if they are in tank issue comes when out of the water or while boiling rock inside that has Zoa’s on it.

 

[Zero1091]

Great answers guys appreciate it,
Yeah figured its impossible to say which do have it and which don't.
Ive also heard/ read that its the ugly brown and green palys that are most dangerous.
Thought if I named a common one others can explain their experience with it and its helped a lot.

If somewhat of a concern for me but more aimed towards the familys safety.
Read a few horror stories aswell and dont want to be a part of that group lol.

In that case any other low to mid end zoas to look out for that yall consider safer to get?
Going to the LFS today and hopefully some catch my eye.

 

[Waterislife]

All corals have the potential of being toxic never pull them out of the tank and scrub them, that's where people have gotten into trouble. scrubbing their rocks to remove unwanted pests, never pull your rocks out of the tank and scrub them. Also never stir up an established sand bed just recently heard of a experience store owner who stired an establish sandbed released a gas bubble from the sand bed when it surfaced and popped in his face and cause second-degree burns on his face.

 

[Zero1091]

All corals have the potential of being toxic never pull them out of the tank and scrub them, that's where people have gotten into trouble. scrubbing their rocks to remove unwanted pests, never pull your rocks out of the tank and scrub them. Also never stir up an established sand bed just recently heard of a experience store owner who stired an establish sandbed released a gas bubble from the sand bed when it surfaced and popped in his face and cause second-degree burns on his face.

Snap, that went 0 to 100 real quick

 

[HotManwich]

All corals have the potential of being toxic never pull them out of the tank and scrub them, that's where people have gotten into trouble. scrubbing their rocks to remove unwanted pests, never pull your rocks out of the tank and scrub them. Also never stir up an established sand bed just recently heard of a experience store owner who stired an establish sandbed released a gas bubble from the sand bed when it surfaced and popped in his face and cause second-degree burns on his face.

What would even cause that? Maybe Hydrogen Sulfide?

 

[jurgenph]

Also never stir up an established sand bed just recently heard of a experience store owner who stired an establish sandbed released a gas bubble from the sand bed when it surfaced and popped in his face and cause second-degree burns on his face.

a bubble from a sandbed, large and potent enough to cause burns to ones face?
what kind of gas would even cause that? mustard gas?

i call fake news. sorry, but what's the source of this?


J.

 

[Waterislife]

Right from the horse's mouth would have brought it up if it wasn't real and I don't appreciate being accused of fake news

 

[jurgenph]

Right from the horse's mouth would have brought it up if it wasn't real and I don't appreciate being accused of fake news

and you saw this happen?


J.

 

[Waterislife]

and you saw this happen?


J.

Can you not read as far as what you're saying is a Dead issue either take it for what it is or don't take it at all I got the information from one of the top reefers in the Kansas City area as far as I'm concerned his word is golden this subject is dead with you

 

[MTBake]

Hydrogen sulfide is corrosive and can accumulate in our sand beds. That could be the source of a burn from a gas bubble, I suppose. Seems far fetched but not totally impossible, imo.

As far as paly toxin goes, I tend not to worry about it. Wear gloves when handling if it worries you. Don't aerosolize tank water by heating or boiling it. Run carbon and don't leave old tank water laying around where a child or pet can get to it.

 

[Waterislife]

Hydrogen sulfide is corrosive and can accumulate in our sand beds. That could be the source of a burn from a gas bubble, I suppose. Seems far fetched but not totally impossible, imo.

As far as paly toxin goes, I tend not to worry about it. Wear gloves when handling if it worries you. Don't aerosolize tank water by heating or boiling it. Run carbon and don't leave old tank water laying around where a child or pet can get to it.

Thank you

 

[New&no clue]

So I’m new to corals too and was worried about this as well, my family is like a magnet for the rare... when someone says it’s one in a million then it will probably happen to us. I did a lot of research too and what I saw was they are only toxic to us OUT of the water. If they release toxin in the water it says in the water. So if the tank crashes you’re fine, the toxin would say in the water. If you pull a frag or a rock out of the water that’s when the toxin can be released airborne. There are step to take when dealing with them outside water

1. In or out of water wear gloves, eye protection, and face mask (some will say this is overkill, and it honestly probably is... but again magnet for rare thing so I just do it)
2. Be in a well ventilated space when out of water.
3. If removing rock or frag from water to toss double bag and keep outside until trash day.
4. When putting them in or taking them out of the tank don’t have kids or pets around the area.

Again this is probably was overkill, but if you are concerned these are steps you can take to reduce the risk even more. I have three types in my tank.

 

[Waterislife]

So I’m new to corals too and was worried about this as well, my family is like a magnet for the rare... when someone says it’s one in a million then it will probably happen to us. I did a lot of research too and what I saw was they are only toxic to us OUT of the water. If they release toxin in the water it says in the water. So if the tank crashes you’re fine, the toxin would say in the water. If you pull a frag or a rock out of the water that’s when the toxin can be released airborne. There are step to take when dealing with them outside water

1. In or out of water wear gloves, eye protection, and face mask (some will say this is overkill, and it honestly probably is... but again magnet for rare thing so I just do it)
2. Be in a well ventilated space when out of water.
3. If removing rock or frag from water to toss double bag and keep outside until trash day.
4. When putting them in or taking them out of the tank don’t have kids or pets around the area.

Again this is probably was overkill, but if you are concerned these are steps you can take to reduce the risk even more. I have three types in my tank.

Honestly I'd have to agree with everything you said I don't quite take those precautions and generally yes in the water they're safe and out of the water is the issue I will agree with that you should be commended to the information you put out for everyone to read, it's very good