Possible velvet outbreak

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Update:
Everything has been going well until Friday/saturday. I noticed that the tangs look like their fins are kinda dissolving. The semicircle angel as well. He also has whitish blotches I his blue bands and his dad is very red. The cardinals’ are reddish around the gills and they could be enflamed. Copper is still at 2.3, salinity at 35, and the ammonia badge is yellow.
This morning the purple tang was dead. I feel like the qt process is killing the fish. Is there something I need to change?
@Jay Hemdal

Well, if done correctly, it isn’t the quarantine process. The three common issues are: high ammonia, some flaw in your process or secondary bacterial infection remaining from the original parasite issue.

Can you post a video of the current situation?

How is the eel holding up?

Jay

 

[Mathew0]

I haven’t been able to catch the eel yet.

 

[MnFish1]

I haven’t been able to catch the eel yet.

IMHO - it's somewhat unclear from the photo - but that looks like a low flow - low oxygen set up. But - again can't see it all.

 

[Mathew0]

Lots of oxygen

 

[MnFish1]

You mean to get rid of a percentage of the ammonia . With my first uncycled QT I went the Fritz 9000 route actually. That was the one where the ammonia went to 0.5 and the fish died.

Many ways to skin a cat of course. For me, I’m just a fan of protecting fish from ammonia first, then dealing with water changes, cycling bacteria, etc.

Except - that at least if you read much of the data here - there aren't products that protect fish against ammonia - and the first easy thing one can do is a water change. And - There is no way that a total ammonia of 0.5 killed anything.

 

[MnFish1]

Lots of oxygen

I would make sure there is a pump also - moving that oxygen around more. But - its good that you have the sponge!!

 

[Mathew0]

There’s a mighty jet pump pushing right to left across the back and a sponge filter pushing left to right across the front

 

[Mathew0]

I don’t think this thing is reading right, either:

 

[MnFish1]

I don’t think this thing is reading right, either:

Why - its reading safe?

 

[Mathew0]

Because the fish seems to have some of the symptoms of high ammonia. Also because there doesn’t seem to be any ammonia export in the tank, and this is the first wc I’ve done on it. It seems like it should be reading something

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Because the fish seems to have some of the symptoms of high ammonia. Also because there doesn’t seem to be any ammonia export in the tank, and this is the first wc I’ve done on it. It seems like it should be reading something

I’ve had those disks fail - can you confirm the zero ammonia with another test? Maybe your LFS can run a test?

If the tank has no biofilter and the fish have been in there more than say 36 hours, the ammonia could well be at fatal levels.

 

[Mathew0]

I did put in a medium sized chunk of coarse black foam that had been living in my sump for that last year when I put the fish in. I also bought that coarse foam filter pump and there’s the foam air pump filter thing. I am just not sure that’s enough to contend with the bio load of the fish. I had 1/2 a bottle of micro bacter and threw it in Wednesday/Thursday of last week when people were talking about boosting the bacteria. It’s been sitting open for awhile, but I figured there might still be some good stuff alive. I also used a fair amount of Top Fin ammonia neutralizer.
LFS will be open tomorrow, I can have them test for ammonia after work.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I did put in a medium sized chunk of coarse black foam that had been living in my sump for that last year when I put the fish in. I also bought that coarse foam filter pump and there’s the foam air pump filter thing. I am just not sure that’s enough to contend with the bio load of the fish. I had 1/2 a bottle of micro bacter and threw it in Wednesday/Thursday of last week when people were talking about boosting the bacteria. It’s been sitting open for awhile, but I figured there might still be some good stuff alive. I also used a fair amount of Top Fin ammonia neutralizer.
LFS will be open tomorrow, I can have them test for ammonia after work.

Oh - I didn't realize you had added filter foam - that probably handled the ammonia issue for you.

 

[Mathew0]

This is what they look like this morning

 

[MnFish1]

The upside down one may not survive. Can you review what you've treated with so far - apologies - I just want to make doubly sure

 

[MnFish1]

By the way could you show a picture of the entire QT tank? - I mean as of now

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

This is what they look like this morning

When I see Pomacanthus angelfish with that white blotchy look, I immediately think Neobenedenia flukes, with possible secondary bacterial infection. The only thing that makes me question that diagnosis is that the angel's eyes don't look cloudy. With Neo, they almost always have cloudy eyes by this stage. The tang, being lighter in color, makes it difficult to see Neo on it. That fish being upside down has a really poor prognosis.

 

[Mathew0]

I pulled convict and put it in a separate small tank with fresh salt water dosed to 2.3 with copper. I was hoping that if there was an ammonia issue or something with the water that new clean water would help. He was dead when I got home from work, tho.
LFS gave me some Methylene Blue. I added that and brought the copper back up to 2.3. I also got some metroplex and focus to start adding to their food. If you think it’s advisable, I can get some prazi, too.
Tank isn’t any different now vs the last full tank shot. Except that now it’s really really blue. There’s the air driven sponge thing, the mighty jet pump, and the foam filter pump. There’s several pieces of pvc for hiding and the chunk of coarse black foam.
I unplugged the heater. I checked the temp shortly after setup and it was at 82, so I turned the heater down to 68. I checked it again today and it was at 82.5. Not sure why. The temp in the house is just 76.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I pulled convict and put it in a separate small tank with fresh salt water dosed to 2.3 with copper. I was hoping that if there was an ammonia issue or something with the water that new clean water would help. He was dead when I got home from work, tho.
LFS gave me some Methylene Blue. I added that and brought the copper back up to 2.3. I also got some metroplex and focus to start adding to their food. If you think it’s advisable, I can get some prazi, too.
Tank isn’t any different now vs the last full tank shot. Except that now it’s really really blue. There’s the air driven sponge thing, the mighty jet pump, and the foam filter pump. There’s several pieces of pvc for hiding and the chunk of coarse black foam.
I unplugged the heater. I checked the temp shortly after setup and it was at 82, so I turned the heater down to 68. I checked it again today and it was at 82.5. Not sure why. The temp in the house is just 76.

The methylene blue wasn't a good idea. It is an old school remedy that is supposed to "supply oxygen" but really, it just helps with freshwater fish and nitrite poisoning, and it does have some bacteriostatic effect. However, in turn, that can kill you beneficial bacteria, so you'll want to watch your ammonia level. I'm not sure how the blue color will affect any copper or ammonia tests that you run though.

I think prazi and copper are the two best ways to go.

Skip the metro and focus, that process is flawed unless you weigh out the drug with a milligram scale. Besides, it only treats internal flagellate diseases and this isn't that.

 

[Mathew0]

I’ll pick up some prazi today. Thanks.
The intense blue make virtually any color test impossible. I hope the ammonia isn’t spiking from it.