Raising Dendronephthya and Scleronephthya, next step, pt1

I try to minimize my input to things that I can control. I can´t control the food but I believe that in my fish food - many of the trace elements is present and I will have them incorporated in my chaeto. I hope that this "juice" will content most of the things my filtrating animals need. The amino acids come from bacterial breakdown of proteins - I let my skimmate go back to the DT. Yes - I want steady state and I want to see how close to this target i can come.

Sincerely Lasse

@Lasse
If bacteria are food for some coral and bacteria produce amino acids from proteins, would it be a good idea to dose organic carbon. Since I don’t use a skimmer, these bacteria would indeed increase population density of the “microbial loop”. I am beginning to question my wisdom of dosing amino acids to enhance coral feeding response when I would accomplish the same thing in a two step process by increasing organic carbon and increasing feed to fish. I am thinking that fish food and vodka are cheaper than amino acid.
 
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.I like the “sponge pump”. One year ago, I turned out the lights in 25 year old EcoSystem mud/macro refugium and seeded with “cryptic sponges”. Early in the process, I received a damaged Chille Coral. After 10 months in cryptic refugium Chilli looks better than when I put him in the “Cryptic Zone”.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/2...m-on-top-with-30g-ecosystem-mud-macro.421526/

 
@Subsea
Some carbon source might also do the sponges in your tank well. And maybe the sponges release good DOM for corals to eat?
Check out the sponge loop :)

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/342/6154/108

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ypothesis_for_emergent_Caribbean_reef_sponges

I read both links. I like this summation:

Sponge Pump
[“Darwin's Paradox” asks how productive and diverse ecosystems like coral reefs thrive in the marine equivalent of a desert. De Goeij et al.(p. 108) now show that coral reef sponges are part of a highly efficient recycling pathway for dissolved organic matter (DOM), converting it, via rapid sponge-cell turnover, into cellular detritus that becomes food for reef consumers. DOM transfer through the sponge loop approaches the gross primary production rates required for the entire coral reef ecosystem.]

Abstract
[Ever since Darwin’s early descriptions of coral reefs, scientists have debated how one of the world’s most productive and diverse ecosystems can thrive in the marine equivalent of a desert. It is an enigma how the flux of dissolved organic matter (DOM), the largest resource produced on reefs, is transferred to higher trophic levels. Here we show that sponges make DOM available to fauna by rapidly expelling filter cells as detritus that is subsequently consumed by reef fauna. This “sponge loop” was confirmed in aquarium and in situ food web experiments, using 13C- and 15N-enriched DOM. The DOM-sponge-fauna pathway explains why biological hot spots such as coral reefs persist in oligotrophic seas—the reef’s paradox—and has implications for reef ecosystem functioning and conservation strategies.]
 
I read both links. I like this summation:

Sponge Pump
[“Darwin's Paradox” asks how productive and diverse ecosystems like coral reefs thrive in the marine equivalent of a desert. De Goeij et al.(p. 108) now show that coral reef sponges are part of a highly efficient recycling pathway for dissolved organic matter (DOM), converting it, via rapid sponge-cell turnover, into cellular detritus that becomes food for reef consumers. DOM transfer through the sponge loop approaches the gross primary production rates required for the entire coral reef ecosystem.]

Abstract
[Ever since Darwin’s early descriptions of coral reefs, scientists have debated how one of the world’s most productive and diverse ecosystems can thrive in the marine equivalent of a desert. It is an enigma how the flux of dissolved organic matter (DOM), the largest resource produced on reefs, is transferred to higher trophic levels. Here we show that sponges make DOM available to fauna by rapidly expelling filter cells as detritus that is subsequently consumed by reef fauna. This “sponge loop” was confirmed in aquarium and in situ food web experiments, using 13C- and 15N-enriched DOM. The DOM-sponge-fauna pathway explains why biological hot spots such as coral reefs persist in oligotrophic seas—the reef’s paradox—and has implications for reef ecosystem functioning and conservation strategies.]

Thanks for sharing . Very informative
 
I totally squealed when I saw that you finally got a bunch. I'm so excited!!! More pics please.
Most doing great, I increase water flow so they retracted some. I'll try in morning for more pictures.
What I spent on 18 dendronephthya here in the states, IF THEY WHERE AVAILABLE, I would of bought 3-6 of them, for same price. Great deal
 
Recap, food provided working well, more time needed, of course. For using tap water, dendronephthya don't seem bothered. I do use water conditioner, prime, and Fritz type.
Water flow seem good. Only challenge now, is keeping ammonia very low to zero

But surprise, at how well dendronephthya corals doing. Stay tune
 
My wholesaler, Coast Tropical , in LA. Sells Hiatt filtration products. In the morning spoke with owner, who's also a scientist.
Going to try their products, see if it reduces ammonia naturally. And nitrates too. Try to remove slowly sulfur denitrator. Stay tune
 
@Jomama
Where is ammonia coming from? @Sallstrom & @Lasse Don’t all bacteria absorb nitrogen and phosphate? If bacteria can absorb ammonia, maybe you should give them some Vodka to grow happy and help your NPS out.
Laissez les bonne temps roulee,
Patrick

PS: DO NPS feed on bacteria? Of course, their are many differrent NPS. I know some SPS feed on bacteria.
 
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