Red spot on Bangaii in QT

[MrAlpha]

So I picked up a Bangaii and a Chromis from my LFS. placed them in a 10 gal QT with new water, matching salinity and temp. Added my seeded filter media from my DT sump and just a little Bio-Spira for safe measure.

Had them in QT for 24 hours and I noticed this small red spot on one side of the Cardinal. It's hard to see in the picture but the spot has a little tiny fleck of skin or something coming off of it. The Chromis is eating great and swimming all around the tank. The cardinal is still very shy, hanging out near the bottom but he doesn't seem to be in any distress. He has eaten a little frozen already.

Thoughts? Treat, just observe? My LFS actually semi QTs its new fish in that the tanks are treated copper and tested every other day to maintain levels. The cardinal spent two weeks in cooper and the Chromis one week at the LFS. I was planing to give them a 48 hours to get settled and eating well before doing my own 30+day QT with Prazipro and cooper.

 

[jeff williams]

There's nothing in the tank he could have injured himself on? You could try some stress gaurd from seachem it has an antiseptic in it just as a precaution, as long as you don't have copper in the water

 

[Maritimer]

Possibly an injury, but could open a pathway for a bacterial infection. The red spot has me on alert . . .

The "go-to" antibiotic combo most folks seem to use is Furan-2, Metroplex and Kanaplex, in combination, for 10 days, minimum. That _will_ clear most infections, even though they be much more serious than this one seems.

I'm not saying you should start dosing immediately ... but have 'em on hand, in case you need 'em.

~Bruce

 

[MrAlpha]

Possibly an injury, but could open a pathway for a bacterial infection. The red spot has me on alert . . .

The "go-to" antibiotic combo most folks seem to use is Furan-2, Metroplex and Kanaplex, in combination, for 10 days, minimum. That _will_ clear most infections, even though they be much more serious than this one seems.

I'm not saying you should start dosing immediately ... but have 'em on hand, in case you need 'em.

~Bruce

There's nothing in the tank he could have injured himself on? You could try some stress gaurd from seachem it has an antiseptic in it just as a precaution, as long as you don't have copper in the water

Nothing but the usual QT stuff in the tank, heater, HOB filter, some PVC elbows and and powerhead. No copper in the tank yet, I was going to start prazi tomorrow, followed by the copper but now I'm wondering if I should give this a few more days to see what happens with this spot or just start treating with antibiotics now.

 

[Maritimer]

If you've got the antibiotics, treat whenever you feel is comfortable and appropriate. It's small yet, and could go either way, but I've seen infections move pretty fast.

~Bruce

 

[melypr1985]

if you aren't already adding vitamins to his food, then start that. You can watch it for a day or two and see what develops. if he starts looking worse, then you'll want to at least start kanaplex or Furan2. This may not be bad enough for the "triple threat" just yet.

 

[jeff williams]

That's the reason I suggested stress gaurd the way seachem describes it is it kinda seals the wound to stop infection and help it heal. If it were me I would wait a few days to start any other treatments just in case you the red spot worsens that way you don't have other meds in the water and can go to the antibiotics

 

[4FordFamily]

If it is an infection, it'll often take up to ten days to begin to make a noticeable improvement on fish. If at least source metroplex, furan 2, and kanaplex (we call it the trifecta) and add acriflavin for bath purposes.

Anyone that has fish will need to use it at some point. Good luck, keep us posted!

 

[jeff williams]

If it is an infection, it'll often take up to ten days to begin to make a noticeable improvement on fish. If at least source metroplex, furan 2, and kanaplex (we call it the trifecta) and add acriflavin for bath purposes.

Anyone that has fish will need to use it at some point. Good luck, keep us posted!

I've never had to use the trifecta (knock on wood) are all three meds dosed per the instructions on the package when combined with one another? And then would it be safe to assume dose the meds all at once ?

 

[Humblefish]

I've never had to use the trifecta (knock on wood) are all three meds dosed per the instructions on the package when combined with one another? And then would it be safe to assume dose the meds all at once ?

You dose all 3 together, but I prefer to space out the dosages a little (over 12 hrs) so you're not dumping all that medication on a fish all at once.

 

[4FordFamily]

I've never had to use the trifecta (knock on wood) are all three meds dosed per the instructions on the package when combined with one another? And then would it be safe to assume dose the meds all at once ?

Yes and I agree with humble, spread them out over a 24 hour period or so.

 

[MrAlpha]

Ok so just a quick update. It's been a couple days of just observation since I first saw the spot. The red spot is either the same or a tiny little bit better but it's hard to say. The fish is a little more active today and still eating a small amount of frozen a couple times a day. I decided to go ahead and start Prazipro today and hold off on the antibiotics unless something changes. The Chromis in QT with him is swimming and eating well.

 

[MrAlpha]

Ok so its been good news and bad news lately. The good, the red spot seems to have faded significantly. The bad news is the cardinal hasn't eaten in several days and today I noticed white stringy poop and possibly an enlarging of the sensory hole on the fishes head but that's hard to tell. Tomorrow makes 5 days since I dosed Prazipro. Should I do a water changed and another dose of Prazipro or go out and pick up some API General Cure in case it is Hole In Head?

 

[jeff williams]

Ok so its been good news and bad news lately. The good, the red spot seems to have faded significantly. The bad news is the cardinal hasn't eaten in several days and today I noticed white stringy poop and possibly an enlarging of the sensory hole on the fishes head but that's hard to tell. Tomorrow makes 5 days since I dosed Prazipro. Should I do a water changed and another dose of Prazipro or go out and pick up some API General Cure in case it is Hole In Head?

I would do a WC and dose prazipro again. Also prazipro can suppress appetite soak your food in garlic to help entice his eating

 

[Maritimer]

General Cure is both Praziquantel (same active ingredient as PraziPro) and Metronidazole - which can be very helpful against internal parasites. Thing is, you've gotta get it _to_ them.

Usually, the best way to do that is to mix one measure of Metro (or GC) with one of Seachem's "Focus" in one tablespoon of fish food. Fish has to eat for that to work, but the med can also be dosed into the water - it's just less efficient that way, when dealing with internal parasites.

~Bruce

 

[melypr1985]

Since he's not eating then you can't feed him the metro like we usually like to do. The General cure would be a good bet to finish out the prazi treatment and starting metro treatment.

 

[MrAlpha]

Thanks all, I'll do a water change and pick up some General Cure after work. Since he's not eatting, hopefully just dosing it in the water will work fast enough to save him.

 

[MrAlpha]

Unfortunately it's not looking good for this little guy. Yesterday I did a 25% WC and dosed General Cure (one packet for 10 gallons). Today he's just sitting along the bottom, hardly swimming and he's breathing heavy. No Ammonia per the Seachem Alert Badge and the Chromis is eatting and swimming normal still. I added an air stone to help oxygenate the water a little more. Any ideas on other last ditch efforts I can try? He's still got the stringy white poop

 

[jeff williams]

Unfortunately it's not looking good for this little guy. Yesterday I did a 25% WC and dosed General Cure (one packet for 10 gallons). Today he's just sitting along the bottom, hardly swimming and he's breathing heavy. No Ammonia per the Seachem Alert Badge and the Chromis is eatting and swimming normal still. I added an air stone to help oxygenate the water a little more. Any ideas on other last ditch efforts I can try? He's still got the stringy white poop

Have you tried soaking the food in garlic. Once the fish gets to weak to eat even garlic won't help but it's worth a shot. Praziquantel does suppress appetite you could try getting him out of the Med

 

[MrAlpha]

Have you tried soaking the food in garlic. Once the fish gets to weak to eat even garlic won't help but it's worth a shot. Praziquantel does suppress appetite you could try getting him out of the Med

Yes I tried Garlic soaked frozen food yesterday but he still showed no interest