Sharing BRSTV’s video!

[polyppal]

Will the remaining 5% be rodi……or proprietary blend?

A proprietary blend of hydrogen and oxygen

 

[polyppal]

Made this while im waiting on the sprinkler repair people
I present my latest epic:

 

[paintman]

Now that there is some funny stuff!

 

[polyppal]

Now that there is some funny stuff!

 

[Sean Clark]

Is it on? I think it's on...

 

[gbroadbridge]

Is it on? I think it's on...

I went to bed, and I wake up to 4 new pages

 

[polyppal]

Is it on? I think it's on...

 

[Sean Clark]

 

[TangerineSpeedo]

See I would never! I don’t like hitchhikers…and all the other stuff it comes with! It’s also 10x more expensive and hard to find/illegal in many places.

Never... is missing out!
My best tank, is a tank that I started with a couple pieces of fist size rocks from the ocean in an experiment of how I could create a nano eco-system from said rocks! Now a year later I have a 6g temperate tank filled with brittle stars, Strawberry anemones, aggregate anemones, feather worms, snails, macro algae, coraline, etc. Most has come from the rocks, a kelp holdfast or from kelp leaves themselves.
This tank runs off a canister filter that I will clean every 6 months or so. I never clean the glass anymore. I was going to break this tank down to link it to a central sump with my other temperate tank, but I don't have the heart.
I think some people are gun shy because they are invested in what they already created. But if asked if they would start a tank with live rock "and come what may" I think there would be a positive response.
I understand that I have a unique situation and it literally takes me 5 mins to drive to the ocean and I am spoiled. But all the rock I have in my Nano probably doesn’t even ad up to 5lbs and was full of life.
So to spend a couple hundred dollars at KP would be worth it to me even if I didn’t live next to the ocean.

 

[MnFish1]

I stand by simply using live rock from the ocean. That's basically all you need to kickstart a natural microbiome.

I'm going to disagree with you (partially). Simply by using live rock from the ocean - you're kickstarting a natural biome FROM WHEREVER THE ROCK CAME. The fish and coral you add later may agree or disagree (i.e. do well or not) - with this particular biome (i.e. there may be different varieties of parasites, etc). As Ryan (I believe correctly stated) - a lot of the 'stuff' on and in live rock does not end up surviving long-term

 

[MnFish1]

Hey, bet you got a lot more biodiversity on that than bone dry rock out of Albuquerque (or wherever it comes from)

One thing I agree with in the video - is that 'biodiversity' or 'diversity' as a goal is probably misplaced. Over time starting from time 0 with dry rock - as things are added - dioversity increases dramatically (as seen in the video). It will eventually peak - and then - just like tanks started with live rock will 'fall'. I tend to agree with the video - that (from a scientific perspective) - the aquarium is never going o replicate the ocean - and that eventual balance between various things is the most important. This is not only the microbiome - it's also the MACROBIOME. Take a huge rock of GSP and blue clove polyps. Add 3 SPS and an LPS. - In theory - you have 6 species. In 2 years how many will you likely have?

 

[MnFish1]

What makes you say this?

I don't think they are a 'Theranos' - but I think there are a lot of questions. I've posted my experiment I did with them months ago - which I'm not going to go into here. BUT - Lets just say - that depending on 'where' you sample from in your tank - your 'diversity' may be quite a bit higher than other areas. Their test checks 2 areas - which may not at all represent the 'total diversity of the tank'. It makes sense to pick 2 places that everyone tests - BUT - IMHO it does not show how biodiverse a tank is. I did find their results reproducible, etc. But do not feel it represents tank biodiversity.

 

[MnFish1]

2 points................
Was this an infomercial for algae barn?
Put an aptasia eating file fish in your tank before you have aptasia.....So what does the fish eat in the meantime.

They eat everything. EDIT - I meant to suggest that they eat flake food, pellets and frozen food - not that they eat all corals, etc

 

[BanjoBandito]

They eat everything.

Lol yep. Cool fish but they’ll mow down Zoas and suck the mucus off your sps in my experience.

 

[MnFish1]

To be a pushing sales video you need to be the only seller? Herb chambers Honda video commercials push Hondas, but you can buy them elsewhere.

I don't understand your point. With regards to this video (as compared to what the company may or may not be doing). I'm curious - what did you think of the conclusions drawn from their experiment?

 

[MnFish1]

Lol yep. Cool fish but they’ll mow down Zoas and suck the mucus off your sps in my experience.

Not mine

 

[MnFish1]

If you look at the Vibrant debacle, companies sold it and made money and talked about it in videos. I wonder how many people thought BRS was informing them of the latest and greatest thing? Seriously, that is a poster child for why I’m not a big fan of being educated by people who do not fully understand the products they “inform” about.

But it was experienced aquarists with nothing to gain who spent thousands of dollars of their own money to actually test and analyze and review, and ultimately debunk the product. Why didn’t BRS do that?

Who pays?

Reefers scammed by UWC, who believed the “test” they saw BRS perform in a video. Yes, really great testing there. Gotta love being informed.

Who else? People smart enough to determine for themselves it was a bogus product by spending their own money.

I do not think it's any companies responsibility to test every product they sell. That would be completely unreasonable. The fact is - BRS invested a lot of money (presumable) into this experiment. The reefers you mention did invest money into their experiments - but it's not like they tested every reefing product for efficacy/ingredients. They chose what they wanted to study - and so did BRS. I mean - correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't R2R still advertising Vibrant during the whole debacle? I remember people complaining about seeing the side bars. Let's face it - there are a LOT of products out there that I have never used (the 10 different supplements added daily), etc - and I have a pretty successful aquarium. As you yourself have said - I believe Randy - that for example iodine - you dosed for a while - then stopped and saw no difference etc. I'm not defending Vibrant - or BRS for that matter.

 

[MnFish1]

I don’t know about you, or anyone else, but I got a real triton method ICP vibe out of this. I foresee sending in a sample to aqua biomics, receiving a report card that includes warnings and suggestions and product recommendation/dosing instructions for each specific biologic that is out of tolerance,

I believe - unless I heard wrong - the comment was made Is aquabiomics the answer - and the answer was 'it requires further study' - whether the average aquarist will benefit from testing - but it was all they had to do their experiment with.

 

[A_Blind_Reefer]

I believe - unless I heard wrong - the comment was made Is aquabiomics the answer - and the answer was 'it requires further study' - whether the average aquarist will benefit from testing - but it was all they had to do their experiment with.

Correct. It appears that the biome testing is in its infancy. I would even think that it’s really just data collection at this point, of which you pay for. I just see the writing on the wall so to speak. I can for sure see this being fine tuned to the point where they recommend and sell specific organisms and bacterial strains to balance your system. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, it is a very interesting concept.

 

[MaxTremors]

Aquabiomics is not the next icp that they present themselves as. They are more like the Theranos of reefing.

Completely agree with this.